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Atomkilla Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!


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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 19:15 Post subject: Female armor in video games |
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This topic may have been discussed a million times over, but this article on Mad Art Lab might just interest you.
Writer makes some good points, or, essentially, sums up majority of arguments in one place. In addition, the writer is an armorer himself, so there is a dose to expertise to it all.
Interesting read, though I personally find it strange that he points out Mass Effect 2 as having good female armor in it. The particular armor he has given as an example may be good, but I can't get a thought of women wearing those spandex suits or Jack's attire out of my head... _________________

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Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That


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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 19:46 Post subject: |
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He made some very good points. Too bad that the internet gaming community will react to it the way they always react to criticism (that is, freak out and declare that feminism is some objectively evil force attempting to ruin all that is good in the world).
He was especially right about Mass effect. that is the only game I can think of at the top of my head that had actual protective gear. Instead of glorified stripperwear for lonely westerners. _________________ Meri pyaas bujha aaja, mujhe ganga bana aaja
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Atomkilla Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!


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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 19:53 Post subject: |
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| Sabirah wrote: |
| He was especially right about Mass effect. that is the only game I can think of at the top of my head that had actual protective gear. Instead of glorified stripperwear for lonely westerners. |
Mass Effect, maybe, but like I've said, I'm not that sure about Mass Effect 2. That one had many absurd design decision when it comes to armors, both male and female.
What's worse, it seems that Mass Effect 3 will just ditch what's left of real female armors and will just go with the path of least resistance. _________________
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Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That


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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 19:56 Post subject: |
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| Atomkilla wrote: |
| What's worse, it seems that Mass Effect 3 will just ditch what's left of real female armors and will just go with the path of least resistance. |
You serious?
There goes my favorite series, reduced to typical sci fi sexist crud. _________________ Meri pyaas bujha aaja, mujhe ganga bana aaja
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Atomkilla Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!


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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 20:34 Post subject: |
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| Sabirah wrote: |
You serious?
There goes my favorite series, reduced to typical sci fi sexist crud. |
There's been a discussion about it already (scroll to the Ilosar's post on the bottom, don't know how to link to that specific post). _________________
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Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That


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http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i428/EagleEyeTZ/ZWAME/Mass%20Effect%203/me3_ce_alt_costumes_1920-1.jpg
I liked Mass effect. I LOVED Mass Effect 2, but this, this is really not right.
and suddenlly I feel how NMA felt when Fallout 3 came out  _________________ Meri pyaas bujha aaja, mujhe ganga bana aaja
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Atomkilla Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!


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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 20:41 Post subject: |
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I can't say I'm surprised or overly disappointed.
Mass Effect 2 was a let down for me in many small aspects I appreciated in the first one (as it was for many people here), so I'm not really expecting anything special from the third one.
I'm looking forward to it, the ending of the series and for my Shepard, but I don't expect to be playing an RPG by any means. I just hope it at least has a good story, one that will be connected to the previous two in a, say, natural, organic way, and not just a canon-breaker. _________________
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Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That


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Eh, I never cared for the rpg aspects. I liked the diolauge and writing most. Those were the highlights for me and that's why I liked how in ME2 they got rid of the more annoying bits to the system. _________________ Meri pyaas bujha aaja, mujhe ganga bana aaja
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Ausdoerrt So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs


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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 21:20 Post subject: |
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| Well-written article, I think it drives the point home: it's possible to design female armor that looks realistic, unless you're making fantasy porn. Most just don't try hard enough. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 21:27 Post subject: |
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| Sabirah wrote: |
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i428/EagleEyeTZ/ZWAME/Mass%20Effect%203/me3_ce_alt_costumes_1920-1.jpg
I liked Mass effect. I LOVED Mass Effect 2, but this, this is really not right.
and suddenlly I feel how NMA felt when Fallout 3 came out  |
Its not that bad. Be grateful its not like some of the examples in the article. |
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Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That


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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 21:34 Post subject: |
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| White Knight wrote: |
| Sabirah wrote: |
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i428/EagleEyeTZ/ZWAME/Mass%20Effect%203/me3_ce_alt_costumes_1920-1.jpg
I liked Mass effect. I LOVED Mass Effect 2, but this, this is really not right.
and suddenlly I feel how NMA felt when Fallout 3 came out  |
Its not that bad. Be grateful its not like some of the examples in the article. |
True, but it does give an ominous omen to how some of the other possible sidekicks might dress.
Like I didn't have an issue with how Miranda dressed (my friend kelly dresses a lot like that, lots of black jackets with low necklines) the thing was is that she was a "prelude" to the horrific abomination that was how Jack dressed. _________________ Meri pyaas bujha aaja, mujhe ganga bana aaja
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White Knight Vault Dweller


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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 21:37 Post subject: |
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| Sabirah wrote: |
| White Knight wrote: |
| Sabirah wrote: |
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i428/EagleEyeTZ/ZWAME/Mass%20Effect%203/me3_ce_alt_costumes_1920-1.jpg
I liked Mass effect. I LOVED Mass Effect 2, but this, this is really not right.
and suddenlly I feel how NMA felt when Fallout 3 came out  |
Its not that bad. Be grateful its not like some of the examples in the article. |
True, but it does give an ominous omen to how some of the other possible sidekicks might dress.
Like I didn't have an issue with how Miranda dressed (my friend kelly dresses a lot like that, lots of black jackets with low necklines) the thing was is that she was a "prelude" to the horrific abomination that was how Jack dressed. |
I never really understood why Jack wore that sort of clothing. How is she still alive?
Also I just noticed Ashley has a mini-skirt. Why would combat-orientated armour have a mini-skirt? |
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UncannyGarlic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!


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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 21:57 Post subject: |
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| Sabirah wrote: |
He made some very good points. Too bad that the internet gaming community will react to it the way they always react to criticism (that is, freak out and declare that feminism is some objectively evil force attempting to ruin all that is good in the world).
He was especially right about Mass effect. that is the only game I can think of at the top of my head that had actual protective gear. Instead of glorified stripperwear for lonely westerners. |
It's funny that you say that because the majority of the MMO market is South East Asia and the worst offenders come from there. Also let's not be so hasty to stereotype, it's meant to appeal to all men (and some women), not just the stereotypical lonely nerd. Some women enjoy it just as much as men when it's men that are skanked up instead of women, as demonstrated by Bethesda games and a portion of their female modding community.
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| Well-written article, I think it drives the point home: it's possible to design female armor that looks realistic, unless you're making fantasy porn. Most just don't try hard enough. |
Agreed. I actually thought that the point about Tali was a good one and one which more RPGs with romance elements will take into account. His boobplate comments and citation of Mass Effect as good examples of how to do it right go to show that it isn't much harder to cover everything and still show it all off at the same time. Let's face it, the ME armor that he cited isn't really a whole lot less revealing than what he was complaining about, it's just armor instead of bikinis. If sexualization the issue then it really "solves" little while if not looking retarded is the issue then it solves it. _________________
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 22:00 Post subject: |
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I've never played any of the Mass Effect games, so I can't comment on that one, but it was a very good article, I read something very similar before either in a book or another article, but stil la good read, it would have been better if he had gone into making a desing example and his methodology, the bit about historical sources seemed a little lacking, but okay, good read anyway. _________________
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 22:04 Post subject: |
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| White Knight wrote: |
| Also I just noticed Ashley has a mini-skirt. Why would combat-orientated armour have a mini-skirt? |
It could be a long jacket not a mini-skirt but whatever it is it's not armour. They've posted a pic of Ashley in armour so it looks like they are going back to the first game with companions having a casual outfit and combat armour. _________________ Old age should burn and rave at close of day; |
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 22:07 Post subject: |
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Meh, it's kind of sad that there are so few games where female characters aren't just sexualized caricatures.
Half Life 2, Portal, Bioshock 1&2, and the Fallout games are the only games I can think of off the top of my head that have major female characters that aren't overly-sexualized. I could add a couple more to that list if female A.I. counts.
Edit: And the earlier Metroid games. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 22:12 Post subject: |
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| Ausdoerrt wrote: |
| Well-written article, I think it drives the point home: it's possible to design female armor that looks realistic, unless you're making fantasy porn. Most just don't try hard enough. |
Agreed. I actually thought that the point about Tali was a good one and one which more RPGs with romance elements will take into account. His boobplate comments and citation of Mass Effect as good examples of how to do it right go to show that it isn't much harder to cover everything and still show it all off at the same time. Let's face it, the ME armor that he cited isn't really a whole lot less revealing than what he was complaining about, it's just armor instead of bikinis. If sexualization the issue then it really "solves" little while if not looking retarded is the issue then it solves it. |
the problem was about it actually looking like something one would wear to protect oneself instead of metalic revealing clothes. _________________
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There are actually paintings of Joan of Arc with a boobplate, though not necessarily contemporary. _________________
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