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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 23:41    Post subject: Customer Service from hell and response from PAX and others Reply with quote

Here's a story about a third party PR company (apparently consisting of one man) handling customer service which insults a customer seeking an ETA on a controller that he preordered after the delivery date was missed. To sum things up:
Long version:
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Penny Arcade and Kotaku both post the story on their websites and Kotaku then does a follow up story where they contact who they thought to be the head of marketing of the developer (Brandon Leidel) at an email address they had on hand. They get a response but it turns out that it was Christoforo using that email address and Leidel. Kotaku finds the guy on a steroids forum talking about using 'roids. After the story is posted and Leidel sees it he sends Kotaku an email informing them that he his company "fired" N-Control 8 months ago due to constant shipping delays and being associated with Cristoforo. Insults Cristoforo and says that they warned N-Control that this would happen. He says the only reason he chimed in was because Cristoforo impersonated him.

Entertaining/interesting reads, I recommend reading all three articles.

Full email chain: http://penny-arcade.com/resources/just-wow1.html

Kotaku's Story: http://www.1up.com/news/ocean-marketing-penny-arcade-customer-service

Kotaku's Followup: http://kotaku.com/5871400/cut-paul-oceanmarketting-christoforo-a-breakhe-probably-just-has-roid-rage/

Edited for clarity.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 0:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it seems someone has lost his job. Wink


E: Wait no, is that guy the actual owner of this company? Almost finished reading now.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 0:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, no one came out of that one looking good.

The PR guy is clearly an idiot from the emails he's sending out, and he lost his cool. The guy who files the complaints has the right on his side but hardly remains polite and calm throughout.

Gabe waving his e-penis around in the middle of the conversation is kind of funny tho'. "I'm kind of an important person, you know." Hah.

And websites reporting this as if it's an actual story with any clout? Hah.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 0:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brother None wrote:
Wow, no one came out of that one looking good.

The PR guy is clearly an idiot from the emails he's sending out, and he lost his cool. I'm also not sure why the reporting is acting like the guy who placed the order didn't take a very offensive tone as well, he's being obnoxious as well. I would find the story a bit more interesting had he remained polite throughout.


Just my thoughts. (And that the summary in the OP could be clearer.)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 0:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now this is funny. Back in June 2011 someone already got into fisticuffs with Christoforo and was all "I'll get word out there!" But y'know...crickets. But this time around it's a story coz Gabe was personally offended.

That's pretty funny.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Per wrote:

Just my thoughts. (And that the summary in the OP could be clearer.)


Better than anything I have found so far, given that I didn't think this whole thing would be worth reading all those e-mails, and everyone dropping news about expecting you to know the previous part of the story.

So thanks UncannyGarlic!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 23:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Per wrote:
Just my thoughts. (And that the summary in the OP could be clearer.)

I was on a bit of a time restraint when I wrote that, I just edited it with a long, more detailed account and a clearer, edited version of the original.

Brother None wrote:
The PR guy is clearly an idiot from the emails he's sending out, and he lost his cool. The guy who files the complaints has the right on his side but hardly remains polite and calm throughout.

I felt like the time at which he got pissed was reasonable and other than the p.s.es, his "insults" were reasonable. I also give him credit for recognizing that the product is a good one and not wanting Gabe to fuck them over for this.

Brother None wrote:
Now this is funny. Back in June 2011 someone already got into fisticuffs with Christoforo and was all "I'll get word out there!" But y'know...crickets. But this time around it's a story coz Gabe was personally offended.

That's pretty funny.

Yeah, listing off industry contacts and then the customer CCing them all was what made this big. One would hope that the previous exchange would have burried him but at least it got big enough for companies to take notice eventually. Hopefully this prevents Cristoforo from ever getting another job in the customer relations industry as I really don't want to deal with that crap.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Christoforo

He now has his own wiki page. Laughing

Edit to add:

Apparently, the gadget itself ain't bad. And after reading the info available, the biggest problem for the original company is that he wasn't as much of a business man as he started as a school teacher making the thing for a disabled student of his.

Review here -

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/14/n-control-avenger-xbox-360-attachment-makes-it-look-complicated/

Edit to add 2:

Paul got an interview from Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielnyegriffiths/2011/12/29/from-control-to-ko-paul-christoforo-interviewed/

And some formal replies from the N-control:

http://gamerfront.net/2011/12/n-control-responds-to-ocean-marketing-fiasco/15260#comment-97187
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 16:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clearly this is the first instance of bad customer service ever and the world is like "NEVER FORGET".
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 16:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I think this is just an example of people acting stupidly on all sides.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 19:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starseeker wrote:
Apparently, the gadget itself ain't bad. And after reading the info available, the biggest problem for the original company is that he wasn't as much of a business man as he started as a school teacher making the thing for a disabled student of his.

Just to clarify for those perusing, you're talking about David Kotkin, the inventor and founder of the Avenger Controller, not Christoforo.

Per wrote:
Clearly this is the first instance of bad customer service ever and the world is like "NEVER FORGET".

I think it's more horrifying that N-Control didn't find another company or someone in house to handle PR and customer service having known that this guy was a problem for at least months. Then again, the founder is a former school teacher who has a high-school student who seems to be in charge of their website and the many unannounced delays lead me to believe that he has no business savvy and should employ someone who does.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Customer service ? damn you guys. You are way to spoiled by capitalism.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it just me, or has Kotaku really been milking this story for as long as they can?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slow news week.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joelzania wrote:
Is it just me, or has Kotaku really been milking this story for as long as they can?


It's a news source. They have to do that when there is little to talk about
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 13:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabirah wrote:
Joelzania wrote:
Is it just me, or has Kotaku really been milking this story for as long as they can?


It's a news source. They have to do that when there is little to talk about


But they've made about four different articles on the same story, surely if they wanted more video game drama they could always follow the endless stalemate that is the Bethesda/Interplay lawsuit?
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