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[TorontRayne]

Maybe we should rename this the random theological and political debate thread.
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[Walpknut]

[Sabirah]

[Walpknut]

stop feeling attacked, it was Moe Canibo the one I was talking about, Jeezus. deflate that ego a bit.
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[TorontRayne]

Calm down folks. Everyone smoke a joint and masturbate to relieve stress.
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[Sabirah]

[TorontRayne]

[Moe Canibo]

[Hassknecht]

I hate those atheists who can't shut up about how great atheism is.
Silverman, Dawkins, those guys.
Yeah, I'm atheist. Of course I think that my own view on the concepts of faith and all that stuff is the best.
And I like discussing it with religious people, preferably in person.
But really, is it necessary to constantly blather about how religion is inherently bad and stupid and that science can do absolutely everything?
Not that I don't agree with those views, but is it so hard to keep conversations about religion (and with religious people) civil?
Sure, sometimes religious fanaticists say stuff that is so outrageously stupid that you just want to punch them, but still, one can keep it nice and civil.
Keep in mind that you're talking to a human person, don't be rude.
And yes, it is rude to keep talking about how your conversational partner is stupid by default and part of a cult that is all about killing and oppression.
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Moderate godlessness? Not likely.

[Tagaziel]

Organized religion is a cult, because that's more profitable, either in terms of wealth or power. Why do you think the Catholic Church is essentialy a thinly veiled dictatorship? Because that brings in money and political influence.

The problem here is that you equate criticism of religious organizations with criticism of religious people. These are two separate things. I loathe organized religions with a passion and would like to see them burn. At the same time, I have no problem with people being religious, as long as they put some thought into it and reflect on their lives, rather than being mindless consumer drones of whatever McReligion they were born into.
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[Crni Vuk]

[Tagaziel]

The problem here is that most religions want you to convert (or at least submit) to their vision of the world. Sure, individual members might not be cutthroat, but the higher you go in the hierarchy, the more apparent this stance will be.

For example, Christian churches, particularly the RCC. It's effectively the great brakeman of progress and social change, particularly in Poland. Western Europe is much more advanced and secular than my country, where the Church tries to be ever present and gain political and economical control of many aspects of public life.

I might tolerate individuals, but the organizations they support should burn.
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[Yamu]

I don't mean to be a backseat mod, but can we get this thread split? The original topic was China and the US, and now we've got both of these discussions going at once.
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[Tagaziel]

Thread split per suggestion and covered with asbestos.

Now, mental exercise time: imagine a world with absolutely no religion. With no religious strife etc. Imagine how it would look. Post results.
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[Moe Canibo]

[Yamu]

Things would look pretty much the same, I imagine, because religion would be back inside of a year (and if what you're postulating is a human society that had evolved completely free of religion, I honestly don't see that happening). People are wired for herd mentality, they're wired for credulity in perceived authority, they're wired to give authority to those who can make them feel safe and secure, and they're wired not to feel safe and secure in the presence of the feared and the unknown. The guys who explained away the earthquakes and the lightning strikes and the mysteries of the heavens themselves, they guys who provided some sense of order and predictability to life by offering the notion of sacred and inviolable law and even removed the fear of death itself by promising better things to come-- whether because they recognized the utility of it or because they saw a path to power-- they were the ones who got to sit in the big chair. At one time, people needed religion, and our deep psychological structures don't just allow for it, they almost make it inevitable.

If people were to have sprung into existence with the level of sophistication and education achievable today, and if that level of sophistication and education was absolutely ubiquitous, it might be a different story, but I still think there would be those out there who saw a need or an opportunity there, and those willing to agree and to follow them.

Edit: Always remember to spellcheck before you post, kids.
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[Hassknecht]

[Tagaziel]

Personal faith is horrible when it directly affects other people eg. "I'm Christian, so let's baptise my children and indoctrinate them from the start into Christianity, fuck yeah personal freedoms" or "blood transfusion is bad, don't save my children".
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[Moe Canibo]