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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 22:51    Post subject: All for naught. Reply with quote

Relationship hilarity time!

And lo, on the 27th of febuary, it came to pass that the Lukester is, once more, forever alone. Once again, I join the ranks of single males procrastinating on the internet. It’s been quite a while since I was here, yet in a weird way it feels like I’ve never left.

While this decision was long in the making, it went off today like an atom bomb and I’m all out of RadAway. I posted a hint behind closed doors about the events leading up to this point, in the marble halls of the Senate (to which I somehow still have access, mysteriously). I did so as my relationship came ever so close to an end on the 21st, which is what delayed the time-honored tallying of the Order Awards. It came ever so close, but it didn’t end then. We thought there was still hope. Instead, it ended today, at approximately 15:45, local time.

Me and my now ex girlfriend have had it rough for the past half year. The crappiness has alternated with complete fucking amazingness – which is why we’ve both persisted for so long (due to the amazingness part, that is). But today, I thought to myself, like I’ve done many times before: “Here but no further”. And today, I could finally muster the courage to speak out those finalizing words, terminating the relationship. Though determined not to cry, the words came out as a poor excuse of a whimper, but I spoke them nonetheless. I had tried before, on the 21st, with a prepared pitch and everything. On the 21st however, I came to a halt before I could say “…and for these reasons, we are no longer together”. I just couldn’t do it. I love her so fucking much. As I was nearing that sentence today I broke down, had to excuse myself, to return a few minutes later. But today I could say it. “We can’t be together anymore.” After I finally managed to whisper that out, we exchanged a few short words. A few, single tears fell to the floor – we have already cried more than enough before. She left the apartment five minutes later. What happens now, I just don’t know. I think she's swinging by tomorrow. She'll be out of here permanently in 2 months at the earliest. Joy.

As I posted on facebook: We corresponded excellently in almost every aspect, and shared virtually everything (including our mutual home) – yet we fell to trivial divergence. At times like these it’s ironically soothing to be a cynical atheist; expecting nothing more, and having no faith to lose.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 22:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad

Sucks dude. Mutual home makes it even harder. But what's gotta be done has gotta be done. Much strength, man.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 23:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

how comes you and yamu have kicked your girl recently.

Anyway. Sorry to hear about it. But yeah. What BN said.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 23:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sucks, man. But if that's what had to be done, it's the right thing to do. Postponing it only prolongs the suck.

One piece of advice that worked for me: try to separate your daily goings-on as much as possible while still living together after breaking up. Like, stop eating together and things like that - but communicate whatever problems there are.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 23:05    Post subject: Re: All for naught. Reply with quote

Lukus wrote:
Relationship hilarity time!


Yes! Very Happy

Also:

Sad

Sorry, Luke. So what was the divide? What created it?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 23:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck. You an Yamu are like breakup buddies. You two should have a TV show.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 23:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking of you, Luke

Sincerely Yours, Daimyo.


Seriously though; sorry to hear that, but perhaps it is for the best in the long run, eh?

Cry your tears, voice your regrets and move on, albeit slowly but surely.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 23:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crni Vuk wrote:
how comes you and yamu have kicked your girl recently.


They want to be together.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 23:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey bro,I don't know you personally but i know the feeling and only thing that i have to say is ,sometimes shit happens and it's hurt. But keep your head UP. Good luck & May the force be with you.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 0:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Naaah. The experience gained and lessons learned are worth it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makagulfazel wrote:

Naaah. The experience gained and lessons learned are worth it.


That.

'tis too bad, but you'll find someone else soon enough you sexy beast.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

So does this mean that you can be Battle Master for The Battles now Luke?

Sorry to hear about things coming to a head, though from the sounds of things this was in everyone's best interests. As Sic said, you will be mounted and ridden away into the sunset in no time! Carry on Sir Luke.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck Luke that sucks man chin up mate there are plenty more fish in the sea.

So what happened why the break up? Don't tell me she only likes guys with foreskin.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man Luke, that sucks. I never thougt you were actually going to do it, I thought it was a "My wife doesn't understand me"-kind of thing to try and get one of us into your bed.
What's happened? I remember something about an obnoxious friend of hers - or was it an ex? Does he have something to do with it? Or did you just drift apart or somesuch?

How long have you been together? Three years or so?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about your pains Lukeman. Sorry you had to let such a pwetty green-eyed lass go too.

Lots of strength and a quick recovery to you.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brother None wrote:
Sucks dude. Mutual home makes it even harder. But what's gotta be done has gotta be done. Much strength, man.

Thanks. Indeed, the mutual home thingie sure complicates things, but what's gotto be done...

Crni wrote:
how comes you and yamu have kicked your girl recently.

Kilus answered this one. (Yamu - you kicked yours too? I knew you were in a similar situation, but haven't gotten word of any resolution. Then again I've not been as updated as in the glory days as of late. Much lurve and support your way, man.)

Sander wrote:
One piece of advice that worked for me: try to separate your daily goings-on as much as possible while still living together after breaking up. Like, stop eating together and things like that - but communicate whatever problems there are.

This could be doable. This is a two room flat, but both rooms are on separate sides of the hallway, and both rooms have doors that can be closed and locked. However, we haven't discussed any practical details. I mentioned in a hurry, as she was leaving yesterday, that I was open for the possibility of looking for other accomodations while she remained in the flat. (Only that I was "open for the possibility", not that I would actually do it. Until we have a dialogue about it, I can't say.)

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Thinking of you, Luke

Yay! Smile
And yer, I do think it's for the best in the long run. It was I who finalized the decision, though I'm not sure whether that makes it easier or harder to move on. (I guess I would have preferred it if she had dumped me, as I can now be tormented by the question 'what if I rushed it?' I did a lot of thinking about it beforehand, though, and hope to avoid such intellectual torture.) The special circumstances of this breakup were that we both love eachother deeply, but have been enduring lots of drama over nothing the past couple of months. Sure, 'drama over nothing' is an element in any long-term relationship, but for six months?

Prosatanos wrote:
Hey bro,I don't know you personally but i know the feeling and only thing that i have to say is ,sometimes shit happens and it's hurt. But keep your head UP. Good luck & May the force be with you.

Thanks, mang.

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Naaah. The experience gained and lessons learned are worth it.

Sicblades wrote:
That.

Of course, this is true - I just wanted a dramatic title. Out of life's school of war: What does not destroy me, makes me stronger.

Dirk wrote:
So does this mean that you can be Battle Master for The Battles now Luke?

Sorry to hear about things coming to a head, though from the sounds of things this was in everyone's best interests. As Sic said, you will be mounted and ridden away into the sunset in no time! Carry on Sir Luke.

I won't be doing any battle mastering - just haven't got the energy for it at this time. While it could be a good thing to just get activated with various things to focus on, I don't think the Battles is what I need right now. And thanks. Smile

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Fuck Luke that sucks man chin up mate there are plenty more fish in the sea.

So what happened why the break up? Don't tell me she only likes guys with foreskin.

Ehehe. No, she was quite content with the new equipment. In January, we did the dirty 16 times. (I kept a sex diary in Jan/Feb). Now, I did the maths, and found that that's more than every other day. (See why this is so hard for me?) And mangs... The things we would do. It was completely out of this world. I've never had this kind of sex in my life, and doubt that I ever will again. I realize how this is a cliché, but you guys I'm seriously... I emerge out of this relationship with more than a lifetime's worth of masturbation-images. You're probably prejudiced against this kind of stuff, but we'd do it BDSM-style. Basically, we did the works - I would go into detail, but perhaps this is not the right moment for that. To find a girl with a genuine interest in and passion for that stuff, who is also an amazing person, who also loves me deeply, and who I also love deeply back - again... I think I'd have to look for more than a lifetime. Seriously, what are the odds? *sob*

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How long have you been together? Three years or so?

Thanks for the love, Jeebs. We were only dating for half that - about 1,5 years. But they were one and a half pretty intense and amazing years.

About 'why the divide/break up'... It was over trivial things. Nobody was unfaithful (to my knowledge anyway, but I'm pretty damn sure about it). Our personalities were a perfect match, etc., save for one thing. I have an allergy against being down-prioritized in relation to sexual threats. On a multitude of occasions, she down-prioritized me in relation to sexual threats. There were two such individuals. One was the ex I mentioned before, but that situation I got over pretty well. Then there was a new guy.

I told her that this was making me feel really, really bad, and fished for a practical solution in which she wouldn't practice the behavior that made me feel bad. No such solution that she would accept could be found, as she was allergic to feeling controlled. Specifically, the down-prioritization was regarding a certain individual who she had intricate sexual fantasies about and probably somewhat of a crush on. In my world, intricate sexual fantasies is A-OK, and quite inevitable, about other people. What I didn't like was that she went behind my back while interacting with this guy, when we had an agreement to share everything of that sort. (So that we could laugh about it together.) Her going behind my back, even with something as trivial as harmless flirting, wasn't cool. The main thing was how she made sure, in secret, to end up in the same group as this person in school - they just started a half-year course together in january.

In november, she and I were supposed to take this course together. In december, I didn't get accepted since my test-thingie like the SAT:s expired (they do so after five years here). In december, we spoke about this guy in particular, and she said that 'just because they're taking the same course doesn't mean they're going to be put in the same group together'. In january, she went behind my back to fix so that they'd end up in the same group of 30 people. Then she said 'just because they're being in the same group of 30-something people (out of ca 180, btw), doesn't mean they'll be doing group assignments together'. Sure enough, they mysteriously end up in the same group-assignment group as well, of 5 people. Then, 'just because they're going to be in the same group-assignment thingie, doesn't mean they'll be spending a lot of time together or visit eachothers places at all, since they'll be working from school anyway'. The day before yesterday, right before bed, she said that she was going home to his place on the next day (which was yesterday). Now, that's not the single reason why I broke up, but it's indeed part of the brew that's been cooking. On the surface it's been about meaningless things. But down below, she's gone behind my back, lied, given me promises that turned out to be void. She previously said that if I wanted her to change groups, I could just tell her. With that information, I was content to try it out, as I realized how I was being somewhat of a jerk. However, it didn't work out for me. Him posting explicit sexual references on her facebook page, her liking them, the idea of their mutual sexual chemistry and her going behind my back to be with him on an almost daily basis didn't work for me. So, I told her, as she said I could. She then responded that this was all in my head, that she wouldn't change groups because of my neurosis, that I needed to get professional help from a therapist, or we'd be through. I was like "But, you said..!!"

So, what do you know... I got professional help from a cognitive therapist. I've taken 30 ECTS psychology, and even though he'd taken quite a bit more, obviously, I didn't get any newsflash. (I did get some additional perspective, which I could have gotten from almost anyone it feels like.) His bottom-line advice: my angst is my business to sort out. My control behavior (asking for full disclosure and information about her interaction with this guy) was only reproducing my own angst, without eliminating her behavior, as well as giving her a slice of angst of her own due to feeling supervised. My angst could be removed, or at least the situation for me could be improved, with CBT on my part. I tried a week of CBT, though reluctantly. Not that long, I know - but I reasoned like this: I was willing to do virtually anything to keep this girl in my life and to keep her happy. Including accepting blame when I didn't think there was anything wrong with my emotions - I didn't think I was doing anything wrong by feeling really bad over being down-prioritized and lied to in relation to sexual threats. She on the other hand was not willing to put in the same work into our relationship, like avoiding a particular sexual threat for the benefit of my wellbeing. A threat that wasn't even a friend of hers, but a very loose aquaintance who she just happened to have very wet and elaborate fantasies about. Not only was she completely impervious to the idea of not spending her days with this man, but she also couldn't avoid to lie about details regarding it or go behind my back to make sure they'd be together. Hence, I felt I was putting my eggs in the wrong basket. I accepted her fantasies, as we obviously can't control our emotions and desires like that. I didn't accept the lies and deceit - even though, as said, I haven't suspected her of being unfaithful. Just respectless.

There's a lot more information than that, though, but this is long enough as it is. Judging from the above information, was I being the bigger asshole? She sure thinks so anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ From the way you described things it may be for the best. I would be very wary of a woman with close ties to another male "friend". In my experience it turns out bad. My ex fucked her friend who she said was like a brother to her. I guess some people fuck their brothers.
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I was just drafting up a post saying that if you thought this is how it needed to be, then you probably did the right thing. Now that I've read up on the situation, I'm sure you did the right thing. Call me a puritanical American prude, but aside from declaring it an open relationship, there really wasn't any other way to respond. You don't gather ingredients like she was unless you're intending to bake a cake (or to spite someone who told you to stay out of the kitchen-- either way, bad mojo). For the record, none of that sounds like "little drama" to me-- any single one of the things leading up to this would've been a dealbreaker for a lot of guys, amazing relationship or not. You're a better man than I am. I'd probably be more angry than sorrowful right now.

I'm probably not helping, though. I'm glad you enjoyed your time together, as I'm sure you are, or will be once you're through the roughest part of this. I hope you both take something positive away from it. And for the time being, I wish you strength and inner peace, dude. Peace, most of all.
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I see.

Well, it's a good a reason to be unhappy in a relationship as another, I guess. It's all down to how you feel, after all, and it's impossible for other people to form any kind of judgment about that. Not their place, either.

I can't really relate- but that's probably because I have self-esteem issues (as in: way too much of it). My g/f often (way too often, probably) remarks that it's unfair that I'm the only one she ever had sex with, and every time we have an argument she yells that she wants an open relationship. Yet I'm not worried in the least. I probably should, though. Yet I can't. I have no idea how I work.

Luke, dude, I feel for you. I really do. I can sort of imagine what you're going through - I went to something similar once - yet because it's so long ago (nine years) I only have the faintest memory of it. But I am damn sure that it changed me for the rest of my life. A major part of who I am formed the last time I had my heart broken - half a year of pure and utter misery will do that to your personality. I hope you fare better, dude. If you need anything, just ask. Naked images of myself will be provided on simple request.

I don't normally do this - since I absolutely hate it when people do it to me - but here's some unsollicited advice: don't be so open about this kind of stuff in your next relationship. Sure, talking about fantasies you have about someone else than eachother is not earthshattering in itself, but as you hinted at it sows the seeds for a lot of disquiet when she actually spends time alone with that person. You say she'd never cheat on you - I'll take your word for it - but still it's hard to supress the thought of the possibility of it happening entering your head. And jealousy - however you rationalise it away - will always lead to unhappiness.

I, for instance, would not tell my g/f anything about any sexual attraction I would ever even faintly feel towards any other person than those completely unattainable (like Scarlet Johansson for instance), since I'm fairly sure she'd turn into a jealous harpy. She often tells me when she finds someone hot, but I don't seem to mind much (all people she found hot until now have without exception been gay, so there's not much to worry about anyway). (That reminds me, I need to start a poll about something.)
I am 100% sure, though, that if she was actually majorly attracted to someone atainable who she spent a lot of time alone with, I would be jealous. Just like you are, I guess. Wait, now I'm contradicting what I said earlier. I'm confusing myself. I have no idea how I work.

Ehm... As I was saying: ehm... What was I saying? Oh yeah: too much honesty can also be bad for a relationship. Especially about sexual things regarding other people. That's it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 13:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't really bring myself to be afraid that my girl will cheat on me either, though it has very little to do with my self esteem. I don't know why, I love her and I don't want to lose her. I guess if she's gonna do that, then there's not much to save, you know? In the end it's just a really shitty way to break up the way I see it, because I'd never stay with a girl who cheated on me even once. I can't go around worrying about her breaking up with me and I can't worry about this.

Sorry you lost her Luke, or rather, sorry she couldn't respect your feelings enough to not flirt with another guy. What the hell? I'd understand if you'd asked her not to spend time with an old friend of hers because you were jealous, but this is weird.

And I think Jebus is right, this total openness may sound good in theory (not really), but in reality, people get hurt even if it's not really the rational reaction.
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