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General_Maxson · Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2003 0:55 Post subject: War news.

War news!
Let´s discuss about the (Saddam x Bush)war here, say opinions...! Post it now!
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Briosafreak · Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2003 1:21 Post subject:

Point 1: this type of discussions didn`t had a good result on DAC. Flaming and sectarism abbounded. So please refrain from over passionate and under reflected opinions ok?

Point 2: We already discussed these matters , as you can see on the archived message boards . If anyone can bring new ideas that would be good, but several of us aren`t going to repost stuff.

DJ Slamák · Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2003 13:12 Post subject:

What I find fascinating is how everyone, including the media, consistently calls Hussein just "Saddam". I'm still waiting for them to start saying stuff like "And now, Dubya's speech live from the White House."
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Loxley · Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2003 14:53 Post subject:

Why is he called dubaya?

Ozrat · Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2003 16:32 Post subject:

George W. Bush has his nickname Dubya because of his middle initial. I think it originates from his college days, but maybe he just fried a piece of his brain during a "youthful indiscretion." Wink

Also, about the Saddam thingy. My sister and I were talking about this a couple of days ago. My theory is that either it's a custom to refer to people on a first name in the Middle-East or the US propaganda team does it so it singles him out as an individual and it sounds like a smooth combination of sodomy and damn. Any other theories?

Also, any guesses on how long this supposed liberation happyness lasts? I'm guessing a month or two before the Iraqis decide they don't want Uncle Sam running them anymore. What happens when the elections roll around and they vote in Saddam's EVIL twin (or an equilivant?) I'm not suugestion that Iraqis love evil, but they may want to vote for somebody that opposes US foreign policy and who will do anything to confound it?
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DJ Slamák · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 0:28 Post subject:

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Odin · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 9:17 Post subject:

There is only one person in this war that is incredible, that information minister of Iraq. I especially liked when he went out on TV and said there weren't any Americans in Baghdad, then the cameras pan'ed 90 degrees and you could see the American tanks.. What a man, what a man.. you've gotta respect that..
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Loxley · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 16:30 Post subject:

Myself i find myself to be a big fan of the Iraq Un ambasador, the way he said that the war was over was just great.
"the war i mean"
You have to see it.

Ozrat · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 20:15 Post subject:

Roshambo · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 22:15 Post subject:

welsh · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 22:41 Post subject: Iraqi info minister

I am going to miss the information minister.

The British periodical The Economist ran a nice article on him for anyone who is interested.

http://www.economist.com/world/africa/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1705375

Maybe he will get to be a talkshow host on al-Jazeera.

It would be more fun than Jerry Springer.

Ozrat · Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2003 3:14 Post subject:

Hey guys, I was just thinking....
Since this thread is now focusing on the beloved and holy Information Minister, should we be posting at the Information Minster thread at http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142? After all, that's what it was put there for... and I did make it myself...

Now let's get back to the war news... Who's winning? What's the score? Are they serving popcorn yet?

Seriously, what's up with these looters? Honestly, who would rob hundreds of bills from a bank JUST because its there? Why would you want a gold toilet without running water? Why even mess with a museum? Are the airplanes missing yet?
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Choro Ex · Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2003 3:49 Post subject:

Well one interesting facts!
Why Indonesia, French, Germany, China, Vietnam, , Malaysia, Russia and several other country didn't support the war!

Because they all got oil contract in Iraq!! Even when first US Marine landed in Qatar, several of our surveyor still there trying to survey several Iraqi Oil fields. Now everything fell to US hands!!
Oh yeah Australian and Canadian company also got contracts there. Dunno about that. But I think Australia support the invasion because they want their share. But i think they didn't got anything.
Phillippinos support US because they are the weakest military power in ASEAN but their country is in civil war plus they also claim Spratly Isles. Without US help, they can do nothing. Last i heard, their Air Force only consist of 3 Tigers Jet Fighter and 2 squadron of OV-10 Bronco Gunship (Vietnam era Propeller Fighter...)

But the war proved the UN can't do nothing. Now every country in ASEAN buy new weapons and equipment (Indonesia purchased 12 SU-27MK, 2 Squadron of MI-17, BMP-2 and BTR-80, and retrofitted all of her Navy Battle Boats.)

It is clearly seen that this all is about Oils!!
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Roshambo · Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2003 4:39 Post subject:

It's kind of funny you mention about the oil.

Back when the US first went into Iraq, after Iraq invaded Kuwait, a lot of those countries were for invasion of Iraq, especially when Saddam proverbially urinated upon the Geneva conventions.

It's now changed so much, becauise when Saddam felt the heat, he went to each of those countries and started one of the biggest suck-up campaigns ever.

Saddam then made sweet oil deals in order to buy off these countries like whores, thus turning many of the actions against Iraq by the UN quite impotent as it made the countries turn a blind eye. He specifically went to each of the countries on the UN panel that were looking at Iraq and did a bit of bribery that would make Al Capone and Tony Accardo envious as hell. The inspectors were allowed to be taken to inspect schools and other (naturally) harmless places to show there's no weapons there. By merit, the US is enforcing what the UN promised to do if Saddam kept derailing the inspections - yet they didn't bother to do or care about any of that since Saddam gave them those sweet oil deals.
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Brother None · Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2003 15:16 Post subject:

I think it's too simplistic to blame the attack on Iraq OR to blame France and Russia withholding on oil (Germany, to my knowledge, doesn't have oil deals).

Think about it, the French and Russians would have to be total idiots to be opposed to the war because of oil. They could've guessed that the US would proceed anyway; hell, everyone knew from the offset that the US would just bloody well do what it liked, I mean, it's the US, they can and they bloody well will.

If the French and the Russians wanted to keep their oil shares, they would've joined in on the gangbang, same as Canada and Australia. I mean, it's just kicking about a small nation which obviously no longer has any weapons of mass destruction. Kinda ironic, when you think about it.

The point is, if it was just about oil, everyone would have joined in. But France/Germany/Russia have more at stake, be it national politics (Chirac is now the most popular French president ever, Aznar probably one of the most unpopular Spanish premiers), or international ones (Russia has a lot of stake in the whole region, not just Iraq, always had, always will)...

Briosafreak · Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2003 15:40 Post subject:

First welcome back Viceroy Smile

The idea that i have defended on this boards remains valid given the last events. Oil is a very important factor to the USA and the French/German sides, but it isn`t the most important. The pressure put on Siria in the last days by the US administration shows that the main objective is to change the political status quo of the region, with the main prize beeing Saudi Arabia; the americans need to siege the saudis,using bases in Iraq, with the oil that comes from there helping to stabilize markets when regime change happens in Saudi Arabia. They have givven up on the Saudis, and they know it.
It`s a high stakes game, though, a decisive but incredibly dangerous game.

It`s important to stop Siria, that has common borders with the saudi`s from gaining power in the region, and to stop Iran from turning to a shiite superpower that could, by helping the neighboring arab countries, get away of the isolation that the sunite and secular arab states have been inforcing, in a discreet but strong manner.

The european powers greatest objective is indeed to stop the americans of totally controling the region, wich could put them in a position of controling the oil prices and therefore escalate the trade wars with the UE.
They are also trying to show the central and eastern countries from europe that are joining the EU who`s the boss, without great success...

Although the control of the oil fields and the routes from where the oil passes by remains of key strategic importance, even more after this document was released last year, to say that the short term oil deals are the most important is a bit too much, instead the political control of all of the region, and the middle and long term control of the oil production and oil prices seems more correct given the rush the americans have to continue the pressure, now in Siria.

Viceroy, wasn`t your father stationed in Siria for a while? What does he think about the lattest events?

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Ozrat · Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2003 18:53 Post subject:

Anti-Americanism is rampant everywhere besides the USA! I was reading a letter in the newspapers here in Canada where a reader was saying "if it wasn't for America, there would never have been a World War II!" I guess ignorance IS bliss...

Also, is everybody missing the fact that Haliburton, Dick Cheney's oil company, has done over $70 million worth of oil deals in Iraq in the last 4 years? Interesante, no?
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APTYP · Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2003 19:56 Post subject:

But he's right - without U.S. it wouldn't be the whole world fighting so you wouldn't be able to call it a World War Shocked

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