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Ar1z · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 17:09 Post subject: Modding weapons

I'm playing with fomm (Tessnip) and have changed various parameters under GMST successfully. Now I'm trying to mod (WEAP) weapon data (like name,damage,clip size etc) with no success. Is there a trick or something? Why in the same esp file some values get recognized and some don't?

Jahnri · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 19:13 Post subject:

let us know your progress. Unfortunately my early attempts to mod the game are failing. Then again it has been 4 years since my last game I did mods for. In anycase my real interest is if I can add a unique dialogue to a character. Then link that to a item as a reward. Which opens a whole set of crafting system opitions of custom items. We will see Very Happy

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Ar1z · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 20:45 Post subject:

If they release the modding tools then i guess you could modify quests and stuff....

I just don't get why a simple hex editing doesn't work :s

even renaming the weapon doesn't show in game.

These are the data for WeapChineseAssaultRifle

Ar1z · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 20:54 Post subject:

UPDATE:

OK i hex edited the main fallout3.esm and it gets modded... while the same change in esp doesn't make a difference...
Argh I want either the damn modding tools or the file specs from bethesda Evil or Very Mad

Dubby · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:10 Post subject:

you need to edit a value in the master ini file that allows data in plugins to overwrite the data in the esm

in fallout 3, that value is set to off by default

Ar1z · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:02 Post subject:

Ok what's that value? And why other data get changed with the same esp but not weapons?

Ar1z · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 20:05 Post subject:

Roflcore · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 20:23 Post subject:

Could you write a faq for the various items and explain a bit? I tried it myself, but failed totally.

Ar1z · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 20:38 Post subject:

read the quote above it can't be more clear...

DNAM definitely contains values such as accuracy, one or two handed weapon and full auto or single shot. I still need to decode the hex string tho.

10mm smg DNAM

Dubby · Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:31 Post subject:

I'd also like to point out one of those lines may be for an (unused) R&G [run & gun] value. R&G is disabled by default, because beth. never finished it. If one of them for the 10mm pistol amounts to 11, 21, 84, or 85, then that is possibly it.

Ar1z · Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:34 Post subject:

Run and shoot spread... If that's what you mean also exists as a "global" value (same for all guns) as gsmt. fGunSpreadRunMult

I haven't found the time to test what are the rest of the values...

Roflcore · Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:43 Post subject:

If you lack the time, you might want to look at this mod: http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=161

maybe it helps you understand, or maybe the author can help?

Ar1z · Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:52 Post subject:

NO it doesn't. The author of that mod only changes gsmt values which are global for all weapons. GRUP(WEAP).'weaponname'.DATA and GRUP(WEAP).'weaponname'.DNAM contain values that are unique for that weapon.

By trial and error i've managed to decode the above values.
i find it difficult to decode the rest tho.

Ar1z · Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 13:23 Post subject:

here is a small unbalanced realism mod.

realism.rar

Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude · Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 14:04 Post subject:

This is all greek to me. I've been searching (unsuccessfully) for an in-depth tutorial that can walk me through the process of editing a weapon. Specifically the Zhu-Rong v418 Chinese Pistol (00060C2C).

It appears that the game is applying the fire damage before the regular damage; which causes the weapon to do zero extra crit damage.

Is there any way to swap which damage is applied first? The Shishkebab (0000434E) has an identical fire damage mechanic, but it works properly with crits (If that's any help).

Ar1z · Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 16:04 Post subject:

My guess is that it has something to do with EITM. don't have time to check it thoroughly now tho

Acleacius · Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:21 Post subject:

Great thread, thanks Smile

Got a newb question, could you help me read this, is the 8C (140), 82 (130) and C8 (200) the respective max zoom ranges and what do the 41 and 42 represent? TIA.

00 00 8C 42 max zoom 10mm smg DNAM
00 00 82 42 max zoom 10mm silenced
00 00 82 42 max zoom 10mm
00 00 C8 41 max zoom Sniper

Secondly trying to compare the DNAM of the Silenced and Non-Silenced 10 mm, is it possible the the Silenced activator is here as well? I prefer playing as a Stealthed and Techy, but find it's near impossible with the short range and accuracy of the only silenced weapon the 10 mm. I am looking to either Silence the Sniper or extend the range and accuracy of the 10 mm.

Thirdly has anyone noticed the Range modifier?

Thanks again. Smile

Ar1z · Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 14:16 Post subject:

actually I think they are all the values e.g. 00 00 C8 41 = 25 float. I found out that using 5 as zoom value doesn't zoom at all. Idk the value for silenced weapons. I'll take a look again in weapon modding in a couple of days since i have some RL stuff to do.

Dubby · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:49 Post subject:

Acleacius · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:23 Post subject:

I understand how to read the values in the windows now, kept trying to run the values in a hex converter and couldn't get the values I saw you guys posting, heh.

I tried to make a esp with a Acc and Zoom change when I saved it, I got a 300 meg esp, doh! Any chance I could get a linky or a brief explination how to get the esp to a more likely 1k size?

Once I saw you had a couple of on/off points there, thought they might be the Silencer, but checked both against the 10mm pistol and 10mm Silenced both had the same settings as the 10mm Sub.

It's odd, I keep looking for a 39 value for the damage, with a couple of varaibles for wear reduction, maybe it's in another heading.

Thanks for any tips. Smile