Comments on Profile Post by Crni Vuk

  1. RangerBoo
    RangerBoo
    I notice that this is the excuse that Hollywood makes now when it comes to silencing criticism. It's the new "artistic integrity" excuse that EA and Bioware used to throw around.
    May 12, 2019
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  2. Crni Vuk
    Crni Vuk
    Maybe it's the internet, but I feel it is a good thing that fans start to bitch more about shitty stuff TV shows and movies do. They are not high art. You eventually end up paying for it. So when the quality drops, people have a right to throw shit at it with memes.
    May 12, 2019
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  3. R.Graves
    R.Graves
    Kinda late to this one. This whole meme started when TLJ came out 84 years ago.
    May 12, 2019
  4. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    Subverting expectations is not a bad thing... but you gotta replace what people expect with something even better, which most of these clowns fail to dl. They usually just replace them with nothing and then go on a masturbatory speech about how cool they are for subverting expectations.
    May 12, 2019
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  5. Earth
    Earth
    I mean, of course bad storytelling in something expected to be good is "subverting expectations", but I'm not sure how this alludes to "silencing criticism."
    May 13, 2019
  6. Crni Vuk
    Crni Vuk
    Good thing no one here really talked about 'silencing' criticism. It's more a form of argument against criticism. Like the argument that you just have to read the comic/book/what-ever to understand the movie. Or that something was to deep for you, if it's full of errors. And right now, subverting expectations, is relatively common.
    May 13, 2019
  7. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    I mean if you need external material to understand a movie then it's a badly writen movie.
    May 13, 2019
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  8. Crni Vuk
    Crni Vuk
    Think about it like what happend from The Force Awakens to The Last Jedy. SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS! What's also common is, 'artistic liberty', like how the developers reacted to the criticism about Mass Effect 3s ending, of just beeing literaly chose A, B or C! and how it ended, defeated pretty much the whole point of ME1 and 2.
    May 13, 2019
  9. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    They like it both ways, they shield themselves from criticism by calling their stuff art, but then don't want people analysing them in depth, despite that being the point of art appreciation.
    May 13, 2019
  10. Earth
    Earth
    I was responding to RangerBoo's post. I get what you're saying, but I think it's a bit silly to assume an artist won't defend their work. There will always be a reason behind the decisions made, and you have every right to call out the reasoning as bad. I disagree with criticising "artistic liberty" though, as that implies the writers shouldn't have liberty.
    May 13, 2019
  11. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    Nobody criticizes artistic liberty, but some do use the term as an all encompasing defense with any issues on a story. Kinda like when racists just default to ramble about their "freedums of speech" when called out.
    May 13, 2019
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  12. Earth
    Earth
    That's a good point. Although if you're having to resort to saying, "it's muh artistic liberty" to defend your work you probably wrote a sh*tty work, so it would be kind of a given that the writer sucked at that point anyway.
    May 13, 2019
  13. Crni Vuk
    Crni Vuk
    In my opinion artistic liberty has not much meaning the moment you're getting paid and sell something to people. I get what you're saying, but we're not talking about defending your work. If we talk about Star Wars or GoT for example, this is a clear example of, to put it bluntly, shitty writing.
    May 13, 2019
  14. Earth
    Earth
    I would prefer the artist to try to "subvert expectations" over fanservice though. Seeing art as a product so you should just give the customers what they want leads to art becoming generic. I get your point; it sucks when things like SW go sh*t, but that's the price you have to pay sometimes. Just because you paid a painter to paint a portrait that doesn't mean it's going to be good. (you can criticise them though)
    May 13, 2019
  15. Crni Vuk
    Crni Vuk
    We're talking about completely different things here. It's not about subverting expectations, it's about shitty writting. And we're also not talking about a painter who was comissioned to paint something, we're talking about a billion dollar 'industry'.
    May 13, 2019
  16. Earth
    Earth
    True, a bad painter would quickly go out of business. The frustration here is that huge corporations have a monopoly on entertainment so they can get away with whatever garbage they want to write. All we have in return are our wallets and collective criticism. But neither of those things will necessarily guarantee quality or getting what we want.
    May 13, 2019
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