Comments on Profile Post by Crni Vuk

  1. R.Graves
    R.Graves
    Well, capitalism rewards ambition, hard work, and risk. Most people don't have ambition or take risks. Boo hoo on them I guess.
    Jan 29, 2018
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  2. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    Capitalism rewards being born into money.
    Jan 29, 2018
  3. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    Anyone who honestly believes most rich people are rich because they work the hardest or take risks is a fucking moron tbh.
    Jan 29, 2018
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  4. R.Graves
    R.Graves
    Yeah I guess one day that family had a whole shit load of money out of nowhere for no explicable reason huh?
    Jan 29, 2018
  5. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    Old money is usually dirty and product of taking advantage of broken systems or even illegal action that is only pardoned by further corruption, inheritances and policies that benefit the rich usually keeps them afloat through the generations.
    Jan 29, 2018
  6. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    There are also people who luck out with oil, people who benefit from economic bubbles who then luck out and manage to keep afloat after they burst.
    Jan 29, 2018
  7. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    Shit is so blatant that Nouveau riche is a derrogatory epitet and new money people are usually seen as out of the norm and in many instances is used to imply it will be short lived.
    Jan 29, 2018
  8. R.Graves
    R.Graves
    So you're mad that a family can stay rich through the generations?
    Jan 29, 2018
  9. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    Only because they usually do it at the expense of everyone else and I was also pointing out the naivete and stupidity of believing rich people are rich because they work the hardest. Capitalism isn't a meritocracy.
    Jan 29, 2018
  10. R.Graves
    R.Graves
    Point me to another system that allows the poor to become rich.
    Jan 29, 2018
  11. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    A poor person becoming rich under capitalism is actually pretty rare, most times it has be acquired through underhanded methods. The middle class is shrinking in the US, and many other capitalist countries.
    Jan 29, 2018
  12. R.Graves
    R.Graves
    I ask again, what's the alternative?
    Jan 29, 2018
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  13. a721402
    a721402
    One person criticize capitalism doesn't mean the person also need to prepare an alternative to replace the current system.
    Jan 29, 2018
  14. R.Graves
    R.Graves
    "No I'm just here to complain" oh ok
    Jan 29, 2018
  15. Hassknecht
    Hassknecht
    Capitalism used to reward ambition. But these days it's almost impossible to get rich by hard work and ambition alone. It's an ossified system that rewards heritage, caution, and simple waiting. While innovation can lead to riches, it's increasingly rare.
    Jan 29, 2018
  16. Hassknecht
    Hassknecht
    An alternative is hard to find, though. The system as it is now has had a long time to establish itself without major interruptions like wars and destruction. And people are too complacent to change it.
    Jan 29, 2018
  17. Hassknecht
    Hassknecht
    Not to mention that capitalism, if implemented correctly, is probably the most fair and efficient system. But I fear that the establishment of a true meritocracy is not possible with the current generation of academics anymore.
    Jan 29, 2018
  18. Crni Vuk
    Crni Vuk
    Graves without offense, but you're a bit obtuse. Criticism is the first step to improvement. I don't 'hate' the rich, I merely point it out. Which is already seen as issue for some? Why? There are currently a lot of studies on the subject of inequality and wealth, and they do not look good. You can look at socieites, and we realize that growing inequality most probably played a part in collapses and destabilisations.
    Jan 29, 2018
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  19. Crni Vuk
    Crni Vuk
    The problem I have is more or less the view on what 'wealth' is, how it is obtained and that it is seen as the 'status quo'.
    A handfull of people own as much like half of the world.
    "That's simply how it is I guess"
    A poor person/homeless/refugee/you-name-it with a smartphone in his hands?
    "DAMN FUCKS NEED NOTHING, THEY OWN SMARTPHONES!"
    Jan 29, 2018
  20. Crni Vuk
    Crni Vuk
    I am pretty sure people had similar conversations in the middle ages, about kings, nobelty and the feudal system or about workers in 18th century Britain where they had literaly no rights at all. And how all of it benefits a handfull of people. And I am sure someone said as well:

    "I ask again, what's the alternative?"

    And here we are now. The first step to any solution is to recognize the problem.
    Jan 29, 2018
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  21. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    A Hybrid of Socialized Democracy and Capitalism would be good, maybe not perfect but elevating people's opportunities and quality of life would do wonders for economic development.
    Modern capitalism, and the idiots who think it's the best and can't be questioned, puts more emphasis on the idea of WEALTH and the right for an elite minority to amass it over the well being of people living under it.
    Jan 29, 2018
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  22. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    Capitalist super powers have also worked pretty hard to demonize every and all alternatives to their own system to their own people too and crushed countries that tried to implement them.
    Jan 29, 2018
  23. Hassknecht
    Hassknecht
    I think we were on a good track for that in Germany with Social Democracy and whatnot. But the Social Democratic Party of all people laid ground for a massive increase in neoliberal politics, and now basically all parties are just neoliberal fronts with a bit of red paint on them. This is what really fuels the divide in Germany.
    Jan 29, 2018
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  24. Hassknecht
    Hassknecht
    Fiscal and economic policies are very much neoliberal in almost all parties, and at the same time almost all parties adopted a very progressive stance on social issues. That leads one half of the people to believe that our parties and society took a leap to the Left, while the other thinks the opposite.
    Jan 29, 2018
  25. Hassknecht
    Hassknecht
    And they're both right, and this leads to an increase in social tensions. The neoliberal economic conditions put a lot of pressure on the lower social strata, while the progressive social policies make that pressure (seemingly) worse. This could end badly.
    Jan 29, 2018
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  26. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    Neo liberalism is cancer.
    Jan 29, 2018
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  27. Crni Vuk
    Crni Vuk
    Wer hat uns verraten, Sozialdemokraten ...
    Jan 29, 2018
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  28. Jogre
    Jogre
    @R.Graves If you like capitalism because it rewards ambition, why are you also in favour of inheritance? Surely inheritance discourages ambition by making people feel entitled to privilege because of the family they were born in to rather than rewarding them privilege for ambition.
    Jan 29, 2018
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  30. Walpknut
    Walpknut
    Being a modern slave master takes a lot of effort, he has to bribe at least 5 politicians so he doesn't face any repercutions for it!
    Jan 29, 2018
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  32. Crni Vuk
    Crni Vuk
    His 1998 version also lookes like a poor mans Kevin Spacey from the 1995 film 'The Usual Suspects'.
    Jan 29, 2018
  33. Hassknecht
    Hassknecht
    Except he rapes his employees now instead of teenage boys back then.
    Jan 29, 2018
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  34. Arnust
    Arnust
    Baby steps!
    Jan 29, 2018