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Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by CT Phipps, Apr 22, 2018.
Reforms like what specifically?
Get money out of politics, limit the reach of the Republican and Democratic party, reduction of corporate bail outs, increase in budget to the education and health departments, etc,
Limiting the reach of the parties as in? Maybe adding more to states rights and reducing federal oversight?
Education and health is great too.
You mean the bank bailouts? It was determined that it was cheaper to bail out the banks than to invoke FDIC and have the government repay everything.
Thing is, most of these things you speak of requires the voters, as in the PEOPLE, and NOT the government, to participate and make decisions. After all, it wasn't a conspiracy but people who put Trump in power.
The people can choose which senators and congressman they support. So again, like I said earlier, it isn't a government conspiracy but voter apathy that allows a lot of problems to remain un-fixed.
I swear this reminds me again of those SJWs who love to talk shit but do absolutely nothing.
It requires the people to be able to vote for someone who will do it for them. The people can't vote for a leader if they aren't given one, and both parties aren't interested in those.
Why are you so, so, so focused on placing the blame on the affected rather on the ones in power? You seem fixated on it being one or the other for some reason. The system is flawed, rigged and it has failed the people under it.
Because if you insist that the weight of the failures of the government is on the people, logically that would leave an armed revolution to be the only solution.
We did have people, plenty of chuckleheads to vote for. We ended up cutting it down to Hillary and Trump. I mean, Bernie really didn't have a chance as almost his entire voter base was focused on young folks. Every other demographic was taken by Hillary or Trump.
Who says it is flawed? That is a personal opinion. I have explained in previous debates that the Electoral College is a fail safe against Tyranny Of The Masses.
Rigged? Prove it. All that Bernie Sanders got screwed over has been proved wrong time and time again. The DNC has its own rules and Bernie is coming into as an OUTSIDER.
If the system is failing then the voters need to work towards it. Instead of IdPols, we can push for term limits for senators and congressman.
So your outlook is that the system is perfect and immaculate and it's the fault of the people not in power, rather than the fault of the corrupt and in power.
The system is such that the only way voters can influence it is by voting for someone who can accomplish it, and in between the Obstructionist by principle bi-partisian system, the influence of big money in politics and just the general lack of interest of the two parties in power to relinquish any of it there isn't much that can be done from the outside save an armed revolt.
Also, it has been disproven that Sanders got screwed over by the DNC? Did you forget the infamous Russian Email leak? The DNC even apologized to Sanders after the leak to save face.
No system is perfect or immaculate, let us not be dramatic. Still, it is up to the people to either work through the system, or a way I do not respect, the fucktard way of burning shit down.
Burn it down or work within the system, both ways are powered through the people.
Yet you keep insisting that there is no issue with the system and that is the fault of the people afflicted, and taking every single chance to dismiss every instance of systematic issues being pointed out.
Like I said, whether they work within or burn it down, who needs to do it?
Both sides. The people can only do so much if the people in power are completely apathetic and paid off to benefit the big money.
Today on "Stop enjoying something":
Long flowing hair is sexist and it's only ever used on women. The 90s in comic books never happened.
I guess Thor and Bucky were women all along... Also the Wakanda's female elite guards that are bald must be guys .
Never forget Supe's glorious, glorious mullet.
And not to mention Rob Liefeld's floppy hairdos, although those were mostly because he just can't draw hair for shit.
I guess his Shatterstar character did have a ponytail, though. Pure sexism, Rob. If only you could give female characters such practical hairstyles. Instead you only gave them impractical waistlines and broken spines.
The people in power are elected by Joe Plebe. In this instance, it is the responsibility of Joe Plebe to elect someone they can trust. Now if the person who was elected gets into some stupid shenanigans, then the people need to push through things like term limits, which would give them the ability to kick these folks out for someone else.
I mean, I admit I really do not understand what the issue is here? If Senators, Congressman, the President, whoever, is fucking up, then the people should have a course of action. However, I think you vastly under-estimate the apathy of Joe Plebe and this is the real reason why nothing gets done. I mean, look at Occupy Wall Street. Those idiots used the donations they got to squat instead of fighting the system through lawyers. Did the Native Americans go out and squat? Hell naw, they got an army of high paid lawyers and had a clear policy. They ended up getting a lot more done for their people than many other marginalized folks.
I mean look at this thread. We are talking about SJWs that care more about selfish promotion than actual change. It isn't a conspiracy, the American Left and Right are REALLY filled with these people by and large. This is why I have told Crni time and time again why Socialism doesn't work in the U.S., the champions of Socialism here are total fucking morons.
The best we had was Bernie Panders and he too was a babbling pile of Leninism providing pie in the sky dreams and rhetoric without providing realistic and achievable goals to get the American people there.
The people in power are pre-elected by the two monolithic private organizations. It's not really a democracy when the people can only choose between the candidates that a bigger power tells them are their choices. And it's intersectional, both the Democrats and the Republicans are corrupt, the Tribalism and division that are so representative of the american bi-partisian system isn't accidental.
On the topic of Native americans, they are actually getting shat on a lot by the government, constantly disrespecting the deals they had with them, Mt. Rushmore is on land that was promised to them, Oil pipe lines get built in their territory in clear violation, it really didn't do them any good to go through their system and trust that the next rich guy in turn wouldn't just fuck them over on opposition principle.
Always knew Bucky was a girl.
I already spoke about the two parties as any third party will bring about a president that 2/3 of Americans cannot stand. The system isn't perfect but it is like it for a reason.
Corruption is ALWAYS going to be around, it was like that in the distant past, it will be around in the future. You think the Green Party won't be corrupt if they got big? Come on man. Politics is wheeling and dealing, always was , always will be. Look at Sanders, he talks big but nobody gives a shit about him. Look at some of his speeches, the room is practically empty sometimes.
Sure, the Natives didn't get everything they wanted, but they got a fuck a lot more than some of the other POC groups. Blacks STILL pushing for reparations when the Natives accomplished that a while back.
You assume that having more than 2 parties would mean it would be distributed evenly for some reason. The current shitty system perpetuates a culture of just picking the candidate based on affiliation rather than on policies. Having more than one party would decrease the hold of two monolithic privately owned organizations on the government as a whole.
Corruption will always exist, true. But if you have more than two options you would be creating an envirorment where less unilateral corruption can take hold, where more voices can come forward during policy discussions and such. Because with a two party system you either agree with the Democrats, the Republicans or you can just get fucked.
I mean, we do have a third party right now, the Greens. No invisible force is stopping them from growing bigger either. Their policies simply suck and only cater to the extreme left while fucking over every other demographic.
Any third party will suffer from the same problems third parties suffer from now. It is inevitable that the major parties will siphon away members, especially if their platform is terrible. Any type of centrist party will inevitably lose members to the left and right as centrism isn't hip or cool. Another thing SJWs have drawn attention too. I remember having a few discussions here where a few posters were saying centrism was shitty and we needed REVOLUTION.
Centrism is probably the only way anything can be achieved, contrary to popular belief Centrism isn't "Not having any opinions" but rather there being a compromise between sides to reach the best possible outcome. But a bi-partisian system is the anthitesis of that, it focuses the political game away from "Make citizens' lives better" to "Trigger the Libs/Repubs!", and in turn it infects the voters themselves.
So yea, at least we can agree on the importance of a centrist view. However, I again reiterate the fact that it is the peoples fault that they tend to gravitate towards the extremes instead of coalescing into a bigger third party.
Parties can get bigger if they want, they just need to do a better job at selling themselves.