Any armorers/blacksmiths on here?

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Beaushizzle, Sep 17, 2015.

  1. Beaushizzle

    Beaushizzle Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Aug 3, 2015
    Is it a historically accurate film? War movie?
    Also, English subtitles? My Spanish is decent, but not enough to keep up with the dialog.
     
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  2. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Vault Fossil

    Aug 21, 2004
    The battle was a real battle if that's what you ask. The weapons and tactics are from the period.
     
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  3. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Looks interesting, does Viggo Mortensen speak Spanish!?

    We need more historical dramas - in general - especially because of the habit of botching up historical dramas, in most of the attempts - making them too summarizy, too dramatizy, and so on.
    Norwegian cinema is staaarved of historical drama, we have made exactly ZERO serious viking movies, can you fucking believe it? It's like a strange aversion, or something, like we don't wanna "brag about it" or something, I just don't get it.
    We ARE currently making a movie about our greatest civil war though, during the viking age, which is about goddamn time... !

    A bit off topic there, I realize now. Ah well :0
     
  4. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Vault Fossil

    Aug 21, 2004
    Mortensen lived in Venezuela and Argentina when kid, and is fan of a local Argentinean futbol (football) team.
     
  5. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    I had no idea. Now I wanna hear him speak Spanish. I grew up bilingual, but my Spanish never really became "authentic", mostly cus my dad is kindov bilingual himself (mixing Peruvian and Iberian Spanish)
     
  6. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Vault Fossil

    Aug 21, 2004
     
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  7. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Holy shit he even has an accent! :D
     
  8. Beaushizzle

    Beaushizzle Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Aug 3, 2015
    Anyone know of a good alternative to leather that is relatively cheap, and won't rip from the weight of about 25 pounds of steel riveted to it?
     
  9. valcik

    valcik Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 20, 2008
    Aramid perhaps? Kevlar, twaron, or nomex.
     
  10. Beaushizzle

    Beaushizzle Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Aug 3, 2015
    What is aramid and twaron? Cost for them?
     
  11. valcik

    valcik Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 20, 2008
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  12. Beaushizzle

    Beaushizzle Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Aug 3, 2015
    It's for brigandine armor using 16gauge (1/16" thickness) steel plates.
     
  13. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Vault Fossil

    Aug 21, 2004
    Any of those synth stuff in not only non historical, but unnecessary, and might even be expensive too. Historically they used velvet or silk, I'm sure there is plenty of more mundane cloth available that is resistant enough. Remember the weight will be distributed and not all in one place. Look for options, however armors weren't cheap back in the day and aren't cheap now. You also happened to fancy one of the most difficult/expensive to make, plate armor would had been way simpler, for one you don't need much fabric or leather, and you have bigger plates. It all goes down to whether you want to do it right or not. Using such modern materials as aramid for a brigandine makes the effort of making all the plates that compose it kinda not worth it. I mean, why go trough the effort of making a realistic, combat ready brigandine and then use aramid on it?

    If you want cheap alternatives however, this guy uses old jeans.
     
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  14. valcik

    valcik Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 20, 2008
    Yup, synthetic materials looks like a nonsense from historical point of view. They are extremely durable though, just like boiled leather. Aramid is very resistant to abrasive forces, plus it doesn't melt or burn.
     
  15. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    I wish I had a yard or something, because right now I really want to build a cheap-ass forge and start hammering away :D
     
  16. Beaushizzle

    Beaushizzle Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Aug 3, 2015
    Okay. I'll spend the 600$ for real leather, then. I don't have bills to pay or anything. Also, I don't have access to a forge or yard large enough to build one, and well-fitted plate armor is much harder to make than a brigandine as a brigandine leaves more leeway for mistakes. Not everyone has access or space to everything needed. Sorry.

    Also, that old jeans video? He's using cardboard. Sorry. Cardboard plates are not good enough. Denim sucks. I tried it. Velvet doesn't hold rivets on its own, nor does silk.
     
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  17. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Vault Fossil

    Aug 21, 2004
    It all goes down to density, you can use any material you like, as long as it's dense enough, the same goes for leather.
     
  18. Beaushizzle

    Beaushizzle Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Aug 3, 2015
    Yes, but by the time you reach the same strength of leather with denim, you're taking 20 layers. Even more with cloth. More is not always bet- not arguing anymore. Will do it my way. Will post pics.
     
  19. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Vault Fossil

    Aug 21, 2004
    Someone asked earlier about Agincourt and arrows penetrating armor, I found a very interesting video which might help.

     
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  20. brahmin44

    brahmin44 First time out of the vault

    Apr 27, 2018
    Recently I have read something about bulletproof shirt. :D There are two graphene layers next to each other. When the first gets pierced by the bullet, there is reaction going (don't know how exactly) and it is going to create diamond like structure that is going to stop the bullet (and probably break all your ribs) :D Graphene is really amazing nano-material. You can find new interesting ideas with it almost every day.