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Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by TheAmericanHedgehog, Jan 28, 2017.
NCR played big roles in 3 titles. It is long enough to say that its story is over.
As much as I don't want the NCR to just suddenly collapse with no reason, I think the games should move away from the West Coast, or at least anywhere near California and the Mojave.
Move it away from any area in a desert. Deserts are boring.
I keep saying, Fallout Hawaii will be awesome!
Or Fallout Alaska, or any place in the US remote enough to justify verdant tree growth.
Actually, FO4 missed-out a good chance for a Fallout Canada DLC around Montreal, Quebec.
A bunch of French speaking pre-war Ghoul with stereotypical French arrogance, and wastelanders shoot them on sight because they think those ghouls are feral (as they don't speak english) is good material for a very different environment.
First part sounds ridiculously weird.
Most people speak both french and english around Montréal, Québec. And many people can speak both as well in the surrounding areas (Ontario, New Brunswick, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine)
Two titles. They were just mentioned in Fo1 ending. Anyway, they kept expanding two games already. Time to decrease a bit and make room for other nations.
that why they set up Lonesome Road?
Being nuked is hardly collapsing for no reason. Besides I don't like the Lonesome Road idea of resetting everything back to zero.
It's why *Avellone* set up Lonesome Road. At the least, he gave us a choice.
Same. Nuke a faction to the oblivion is cheap. VERY cheap.
Anyway, NCR is in the Brhamin Barons' hands. Also, the Desert Rangers can always revolt and go rogue. More, other Factions like Shi and maybe Vault City have condition to go to war against the NCR.
And so go on. Collapsing the NCR is not a hard thing to write, imho.
I'd prefer to think the Shi are still independent and capable of bluffing the NCR into staying away from the lands formerly known as the San Francisco Bay Area with their advanced technology.
The NCR is heading for collapse this is seen that ever since the BOS blew up the gold mines they have seen no other options but to keep expanding to keep their economy safe even if they hold on to the dam they will look east to expand and even more NCR troops will perish. To take the east will mean the full effort of the whole west and more money to throw at even more problems NCR troops don't even get body armor anymore. As Marcus states, they are going to one day regret that they keep rolling over people. Most likely the NCR is going to splinter into smaller factions.
The war with the Legion over the Hoover Dam has definitely bled the NCR dry. And if the independent/Mr. House/Legion ending happened, then it's safe to say that the NCR is on the brink of an economic slump. Even if the NCR managed to secure the Dam at the end and controlled New Vegas, it's a lot of money to be pumped into maintaining the Mojave Wasteland. Safe to say that the NCR are most likely done for.
Well we have no idea what life in the NCR is like. How cohesive their society is etc. Countries have survived recessions before. They would do in the future.
If, on the other hand, the NCR is like the Ottoman Empire, with separate national and tribal identities bubbling away under the surface, a loss to the legion could end up being like the Ottoman Empire in the late 19th and early 20th century, when recession and a reduction in the power of the government led to the entire thing crumbling.
I'd prefer the NCR to be humbled at Hoover Dam (preferably by an independent Mojave), and for that to set the stage for a future Fallout set among emerging city-states to the north.
Although a Fallout set in a disintegrating NCR trying to hold itself together against internal rebels and external threats would be absolutely incredible.
Yes we do. If you talk to the right people in New Vegas, they'll note that the NCR back in California is a bureaucracy; most of the politicians are in the pockets of the brahmin barons, who hold a lot of economic influence. Henry Jamison (son of the Jamison family in California, IIRC Alice wants the Courier to get him to quit) being the leader of the Vegas Crimson Caravan is proof of this.
Well, the NCR is composed of Boneyard, The Hub, Junktown, Shady Sands, and every city in FO2 except New Reno. I doubt people from the Boneyard are that much different from the folks in Junktown, in part because none of them are tribals like the people the Legion is built upon.
Only Fo1 cities are confirmed to be part of NCR. Most Fo2 cities are still open to interpretation.
If their frontier era America vibe carries through, they'll lurch onward indefinitely until they can nuke themselves to death. A civil war seems unlikely, but war is a constant facet of their society. Though there is no enemy large enough to destroy them looming on the horizon. Given their size even if they did collapse, even by being overwhelmed by a bigger fish, it'd be in slow motion. So, it depends on what you mean by 'much longer'. Their size is a weakness but trying to hold that much desert would be a hassle for any invader.
The NCR can survive, but it needs to make some concessions and adress pressing issues.
Firstly, the NCR needs to regain the support from it's citizens. As it stands, most of the NCR citizens grudgingly accept NCR overlordship only because it keeps them safe. There's no loyalty to speak of. For most NCR rulership is a necessary evil, which will be quickly dismissed if the NCR cannot keep it's promises of protection.
Secondly, overextension needs to be adressed. The NCR cannot keep it's own lands safe. With a military threat like the Legion requiring all of the NCRs military assets, the threat of NCR settlements fallling to raiders and other factions.
To free up the troops required to do this, their only option is to give up Hoover Dam. It's bleeding them dry and they have no outlook on decisively defeating the Legion. Even if they manage to hold the Dam, the Legion would just continue to strangle them slowly.