Ebert: Video Games Can Never Be Art

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by UniversalWolf, Apr 22, 2010.

  1. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    Wherein it is even obviouser that the first piece was given far too much credit and anyone who sided with Ebert is feeling pretty silly right now.
     
  2. SerbianWarrior

    SerbianWarrior It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jun 30, 2010
    Thats some bullshit...i have actually thought about this subject, and i can tell you that games can,are and will be art.
    But obviously not all games,as not all movies are art,or all books...
    The definition of art is hard to come by, but it would be a creative effort,and if you tell me that games arent creative, you can just go f*** yourself, Bioshock had an amazing atmosphere and story, fallout 1 and 2 of course need not be mentioned, Max Payne, Kotor, Mafia,Metro 2033,Stalker,The Witcher,Far Cry 2 (and these are just that come to mind). Now,games can be great in gameplay,story, atmosphere, graphics, music.And when games are great in all those areas how can they not be art?
    Sir Roger Ebert is a snob fool, he probably regards Andy Warhol as one of the greatest artists, yeah a can of fucking tomato soup, good job. Now i have a special hatred for modern art,but modern art and new art are 2 different things.
    In the end,the most simple,and i think the most accurate description of art is whatever blows your mind away, so why not games?What Mr Ebert's conclusion comes from the many,many, many shitty games out there, but should the few great ones be deemed badly because of the many bad ones?
    In any case this has gone on long enough and to end this i will give you an example.
    Mad Max,we have all watched it, great movie, and it is art, imo great art.
    Fallout, very similar to Mad Max, hell in Fallout 2 you get a guy named Mel attacking you if you attack Dogmeat in the special encounter, the leather armor is almost identical these are just 2 similar things among many others.
    So if Mad Max is regarded as a great movie and as great art why not Fallout?
    One more thing.
    My dear Roger,i hope you get arrested sentenced to 10 years in a maximum security prison, where the only thing you have to look forward to is being raped by 2 guys named Jamal and Jesus in the showers for the reminder of your sentence.
    Sincerely the guy who thinks (some) games are art.
     
  3. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    Sorry to disappoint you, but that's not going to happen. Ebert's not going to live another 10 years.
     
  4. Eyenixon

    Eyenixon Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 11, 2008
    Damn, look how pissed that motherfucker got at videogames not being art.
     
  5. PainlessDocM

    PainlessDocM Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 5, 2010
    Who the hell is "Ebert".
     
  6. alec

    alec Stuck In The Middle With You Orderite

    May 21, 2003
    Roger Ebert
     
  7. PainlessDocM

    PainlessDocM Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 5, 2010
    Yes I know but why is his opinion on gaming so 'important'?
     
  8. Multidirectional

    Multidirectional Mildly Dipped

    Sep 12, 2008
    It isn't. He never plays games. It just shows how insecure a lot of gamers are.
     
  9. UncannyGarlic

    UncannyGarlic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 6, 2008
    He's a critical authority and he decided to continue his walk into shit that he doesn't know or understand. His opinion is important because so many people listen to it but when it comes to games. That said, he lacks the experience for his opinion to be valuable.

    Yeah, I can't believe how many people suggested that he play Passage because it exemplified games as art. I was extremely frustrated and almost furious that I wasted five minutes of my life on that steaming pile. It exemplifies a part of the gaming audience (there are people like them in the art world as well) who gobble up pretentious shit claiming to be art.

    Yeah, pretty much but how is that different from any other large group? Look at how many people think that Twilight or Harry Potter are the greatest books ever written? The medium doesn't matter, the fact that you have large swarms of people who only taste an extremely small amount of the whole and think that they are able to say what is and isn't the best is the problem.

    He was going to let him try Flower since it was one of the games in the incredibly shitty presentation. I can understand his frustration, he has people sending him shit and no good way of sorting through it. He listened to the wrong person and watched the wrong presentation to argue against since the presentation was crap and the arguments and examples presented were weak. That homebrew Wako game was such an absurd example that it alone almost rebukes anything that she says.

    His response almost seems to be a confirmation that part of why he thinks that games can't be art is because he doesn't want to play any games.
     
  10. Black

    Black Vault Senior Citizen

    Jun 21, 2007
    Meh, not so interesting. Might've been more fun to discuss if "art" wasn't a bullshit term.
     
  11. Quoth

    Quoth First time out of the vault

    May 30, 2010
    The only arts I aknowledge are music and writing, if you can't describe it with words it's probably just death metal.
     
  12. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    Painting? Sculpture?
     
  13. mor

    mor Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Jun 18, 2010
    how about sports?
     
  14. Black

    Black Vault Senior Citizen

    Jun 21, 2007
    What about sports?
     
  15. mor

    mor Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Jun 18, 2010
    everything competitive(that money can be made of it) is packed as sports
     
  16. Quoth

    Quoth First time out of the vault

    May 30, 2010
    baw-ring...
     
  17. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    I've never heard of the games people are telling Ebert to try to change his mind. Flower? What the heck is that?
     
  18. Eyenixon

    Eyenixon Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 11, 2008
    Noby Noby Boy is high art, that's like high fantasy except even higher in aesthetic pleasantness.