End of Free speech in Europe or just hype?

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, Mar 30, 2019.

  1. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I can't be the only Eurotard in this forum and last Saturday I was protesting against the Article 13 (now called Article 17), which has now passed the European parliament. The funny part is, that a member of our conservative Party, which supported Article 13, called the protestants paid protesters from google, oh well! Where is my sweet google money? Havn't got it yet ...

    Anyway, the article will mean a few huge changes particularly for platforms like youtube.

    For those of you who don't know what Article 13 is:

    The European Union Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market is a European Union directive that is designed to limit how copyrighted content is shared on online platforms. EU directives are a form of legislation that set an objective for member states to achieve.

    The Directive on Copyright and its most controversial component, Article 13, requires online platforms to filter or remove copyrighted material from their websites. It’s this article that people think could be interpreted as requiring platforms to ban memes, but more on that later.

    The Directive on Copyright would make online platforms and aggregator sites liable for copyright infringements, and supposedly direct more revenue from tech giants towards artists and journalists.

    It's become known by the most controversial segment, Article 13, which critics claim will have a detrimental impact on creators online. YouTube, and YouTubers, have become the most vocal opponents of the proposal.

    Currently, platforms such as YouTube aren’t responsible for copyright violations, although they must remove that content when directed to do so by the rights holders.

    Proponents of the Directive on Copyright argue that this means that people are listening to, watching and reading copyrighted material without the creators being properly paid for it.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/wha...ean-directive-on-copyright-explained-meme-ban


    There is a high possibility for mistakes and cencorship here. It's also pretty obvious that many politicans seem not to understand, why it's such an issue. It really is like a conflict between an old generation struggling with the internet and a young culture which grew up with it using it in their every day live.

    I guess we have to wait and see what the individual EU members will do with this, but I really do not have very high hopes. Article 13 is terrible, even for content creators, which they claim to protect here.

     
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  2. Eshanas

    Eshanas Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Jul 6, 2016
    It's always hype. The EU has no real power here, the members have to adopt it - think of the UN and their Sholicon law debacle of late - and if it's so bad, then this generation can get off their butts and reverse it in due time.

    If they ever do, I mean, SOPA and the other FESTAWHATEVERAS got through when no one looked.
     
  3. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Yeah, maybe. What disturbs me the most is a member of the conservative party here (CDU) runing around saying, ah those protesters are paid by google and bots write all those mails to the members of the european parliament! Kinda disgusting. 100.000 of people demonstrated and a petition with 5 million was send to the EU or something, which was one of the largest in recent history I think? But yeah, they simply ignored all of that.
     
  4. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht I guess you're through, huh? Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    The EU has no actual power, but the whole "reform" has been a big clusterfuck of lobbyism pushed through the EU to give the national parliaments a scapegoat.
    With any luck they'll realize that these upload filters they want are fucking stupid and don't work.
     
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  5. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Yeah, that's what I hope as well. Just like as how it happend with Google a few years ago when they tried to make them 'pay' for linking to articles or something. What has Google done? They removed the links, the publishers made no more money trough advertising and they begged google to link their articles again. It's utterly stupid.
     
  6. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    2019 report reveals that 82% of all official EU government sites are not GDPR compliant due to being riddled with numerous third party trackers kicking in without visitor consent.
    https://www.cookiebot.com/media/1121/cookiebot-report-2019-medium-size.pdf
    These EU eedjits can't comply with their own older legislative whilst trying to impose new one in the same time, what a mess.
     
  7. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht I guess you're through, huh? Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    They don't know what they're doing. The deal was something along the lines of "German CDU supports copyright reform and France supports Nord Stream 2 pipeline". Since the CDU is mostly old farts with absolutely no clue about technology newer than an abacus, they just didn't give a shit and pushed through. The lobby money from the fucking GEMA and similar institutions also helped. In the end, they just made sure that nobody below the age of 40 will vote for them in the EP anymore. Not that it matters.
     
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  8. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    At least the memes around Axel Voss are fun. I swear I've never seen someone who was so clueless.
     
  9. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Hasn't Europe already arrested people for tweets and also this video?



    It would seem y'all didn't have free speech to begin with.
     
  10. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht I guess you're through, huh? Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Yes, but those were literal nazis just concerned about muh freeze peach who deserve what was coming for them.
     
  11. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    That dude was an actual Nazi? I thought he was just trolling.

    As far as actual topic goes, it's ridiculous. Gen gap indeed.
     
  12. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht I guess you're through, huh? Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Of course he was just trolling. He was just deemed worse than Hitler because the usual suspects didn't get the joke.
     
  13. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    Oh...right.
     
  14. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht I guess you're through, huh? Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    See, when you teach your dog the Nazi salute and make a video of it pissing off your girlfriend, that whole thing lacks any commentary or satirical element, so there's no humour in it so obviously Count Dankula is a literal Nazi.
     
  15. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    I think he was just fined, didn't went to jail.
     
  16. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    Well, he is worse than a literal Nazi with such a shitty username.
     
  17. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
    I mean it can work.
    When I uploaded an unlisted video of my (former) band playing a few cover songs it actually recognized one of them and made it impossible for me to potentially monetize the video. (not that I wanted to) I thought that was kinda impressive from a purely technological POV. I mean Google has pumped $100 Million into this so it better be.
     
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  18. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    Yeah, that algorithm is pretty impressive. I remember uploading some random video of me and my friends goofing around, and somewhere in the background there was music playing. Youtube recognized it and video was demonetized.
     
  19. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    I don't envy small time companies or personal sites at all, licensed AI filters won't come cheap.
     
  20. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    Apr 22, 2016
    I don't reside in the UK, but I'll state this.
    There's no free speech in the UK, there hasn't been for quite some time considering "hate speech" has been banned.

    As for copyright, the only way to viably enforce such a regulation would be to filter what websites the citizens have access to, like countries in the Middle East do...
    Not to mention the state would need to literally regulate each citizen's interaction online...

    Ya'll are boned.

    To be honest, I think citizens in the UK are pretty much castrated since they don't really have the freedom they think they do. From what I can tell based upon my observations and discussions with friends that live in the country is that they're failing to defend what little they have, and that mob rule as well corporate interests are motivating progress instead of the citizens.