Fallout 4 Creation Club is now live

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Kilus, Aug 28, 2017.

  1. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    I wonder when Fallout 4 "Special Edition" comes out, with its own store which doesn't connect with the older one.

    Oh!

    And Fallout 4 Special Edition VR Edition, with ITS own store too.
     
  2. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
  3. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Curious, what is an ESL?

    I know ESP, and ESM.
     
  4. NovaRain

    NovaRain Casual Modder

    Mar 10, 2007
    https://www.creationkit.com/fallout4/index.php?title=Data_File
    • Light plugin (.esl) file are a new optimized file format, introduced in the 1.10 Update. They behave like a normal plugin, except for the following:
      • .esl files are read-only. Active development should be done in an normal (.esp) plugin.
      • .esl files bypass the 8-bit plugin ID limit (255).
      • .esl files have a budget of no more than 4,000 forms.
      • .esl files are treated as unique files from the .esp it was converted from, so saved games will not be compatible between them.
    And actually it doesn't mean you can have unlimited plugins, it just extends the limit to 4096, at the cost of a more limited FormID budget.
     
  5. lolpop109

    lolpop109 Vault Dweller
    Modder

    Jul 14, 2016
    Only 4000 fourms ? So no new quest mods or anything then !?
     
  6. Risewild

    Risewild Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    That's the joke. :roffle:
     
  7. NovaRain

    NovaRain Casual Modder

    Mar 10, 2007
    Not sure if all CC contents use .esl only, or there'll be ones use .esp/.esm in future.
     
  8. lolpop109

    lolpop109 Vault Dweller
    Modder

    Jul 14, 2016
    Well yeah this is true properly would cost £20 though anyway
     
  9. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Why upload it? I thought that the bs2 files that the update forces you to download are unencrypted and that it might be possible to just make an easy .esp file that uses the content from these files. What would the legal status be in that case? I mean, you're just making a mod that uses files already present on your HDD, and nobody was asked if they wanted to download these files. Nobody is ripping files or decompiling or reverse engineering, just making a mod that puts cut content in. Shouldn't that be fine? I mean, if it's possible to make such a mod, that is...
     
  10. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Its the gaming industry.

    Merely owning the game can probably be proven to be illegal if they throw enough shekels at the right people.

    They are legally allowed to false advertise and do gambling to children.
     
  11. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Well, since you technically don't "own" games anymore I guess there'd be a legally grey area of files that were pushed on your computer against your will. This is some serious bullshit, and Bethesda should really choke on it.
     
  12. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Except we all know they won't choke on it.

    They'll slap out the next game, make millions, and everyone will forget about the past.
     
  13. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Wouldn't be too sure about it. The backlash is pretty severe, and while their super long development cycle could make it easier for people to forget about this bullshit before their next games arrives, it might actually stick this time. The reception of Fallout 4 with its overreliance on radiant quests and even more shallow gameplay was already much less warmly received than their previous games, and more and more people are seeing that milking Skyrim for six years and now breaking Fallout 4 modding is a huge scam. They're using up all the good will people had towards them, and while there are a few PS4 users who like nothing more than bending over and paying money for an unlubed dose of cock in their arse, large parts of their player base are actually getting tired of them.
     
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  14. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    If the massive dumbdown from morrowind to oblivion to skyrim was heralded and rejoiced by gamers.

    Bethesda will do fine.

    EA blatantly acts like a cunt on purpose, making games with practically limited lifespans on purpose, and has been rated worst company multiple times, and is doing fine.
     
  15. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Depends, when you look at it since Morrowind Bethesda was constantly extending their player base while alinating previous fans at the same time. Morrowind was not so well received by hardcore daggerfall fans, hardcore Morrowind fans have been disapointed by Oblivion, and there are Oblivion fans that didn't like Skyrim. And they repeat the same cycle now with Fallout 4 where many Fallout 3 players are not so content with Fallout 4. What saved Bethesda was hype and the constant stream of new players, Morrowind I think sold 500 000 copies? Oblivion was their first game that cracked the 1 million sales. In contrast Skyrim sold 20 million even.

    Bethesda is a one trick pony though, they sell one and only one formula and that's it. Maybe at some point they will hit a wall and reach market saturation and from there it will go down in sales numbers. Who knows?

    Of course, that has to mean nothing at all, they could just as well continue with it and sell garbage to gamers till the end of times. EA exists as well, despite all the shit gamers throw at them. But Bethesda has a clear history of burning bridges I think, more than other companies.
     
  16. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    So far the heat Bethesda's facing hasn't been dying down. Hiney's words definitely do not help at all (I sometimes wonder where he learnt how to enunciate diplomatically because he isn't doing it well especially on Twitter).

    With Bethesda doubling down on their decision, we may yet see some maintained resistance even as Bethesda's next hype train rolls in. Though the alternative that Bethesda becomes public-ally known as EA the Second and preserves despite negative reputation is just as likely to occur.
     
  17. Alphons

    Alphons Prophet der Auges

    Aug 9, 2017
    You are all critising CC, like it was easy to make bread skin and sell it for bullshit currency, sold in packs for cold cash.
     
  18. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    We're not critising it, you're giving us to much credit.

    We're shitting all over it and smearing it around the walls while dancing naked on top of it singing unga-bunga.
     
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  19. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    Apr 22, 2016
    Hey @Crni Vuk you didn't smear enough fecal matter on the part about the everything.

    I'm honestly confused how anyone can defend this obviously horrid idea as a viable system to distribute/sell mods. Perhaps they have not observe this create club enough or the previous attempt?
     
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  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Dunno, if some people believed Hitler to win the war till the day he died, than you can bet that there will be people to defend CC till the end of time.