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Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by TorontRayne, Jan 3, 2015.
In Colombia? Not over here.
You sure? Because from your posts it seems like you rarely leave your house.
Leaving the house is being a Tough guy?
They don't though. Maybe in certain worse-off neighborhoods, but I can assure you, those places would be full of drug users regardless of legality. Neighboring Spain, where they have no decriminalization of harder drugs (only for cannabis), there are drug-hoods where needles stick up from the ground. This has nothing to do with decriminalization, this happens in most places with high populations and rough, poor neighborhoods, run down shacks where junkies go to shoot up. There are even certain spots right here in Trondheim where you can see needles laying on the ground.
But, in general, they don't. They don't lay around in normal city parks shooting up here OR in Portugal.
Another thing is that you are making very absurd examples. Why would drug addicts shoot up drugs where kids are playing? They don't do that, and it makes no sense to make that kind of example. Drug addicts have no interest in hanging around with a bunch of kids ruining their precious high.
Norway is a stupid hellhole at weekend nights, we have the dark winters, and the resulting self-medicating alcohol culture, and we have sky-high alcohol taxes as a means of combating it. It has no real effect, except one: Production of illegal 96% moonshine, that - surprise - is available to minors, because it is uncontrolled and illegal.
Again, there aren't perfect solutions, but it's just one more example of illegal products outside of gvt control being way more harmful than legal products inside gvt control.
Eh, the studies are available, one can look for the knowledge if he wants to so it's kinda pointless to argue about it. THsi isn't rocket science anymore I provided enough information alone so everyone can educate him self about addiction, war-on-drugs and all the issues that come with criminalisation.
I would say, if you are at this point still in favour of 'harsh punishments' then your motivation is not to actually solve the issue and improve the live of drug addicts. I've seen it plenty of times, people arguing for the sake of arguing, seeing drug addicts as a weakness of sorts, as people that should be 'removed' from society.
The capital of Portugal is Lisbon, go to the parks there and you'll find them. Is that a "worse-off neighbourhood"?
No bro. If you haven't experienced the difference between Norwegian/Swedish/Danish/Icelandic drinking vs. Finnish drinking...you just don't know.
There isalso this I found in 2 minutes.
Seems life is more complex than just "Drugs are bad,mmmkay?"
And that means what exactly?
Oh, Reddit. What next, Youtube comments section? I can't handle all this academic stuff!
You can't handle reading in general is what I see.
A Lisbon city park
a Lisbon city playground
You are refering to imaginary hypothetical places full of junkies. Lisbon is a city of almost 3 million people.
It will have its poor areas, and those will have druggies.
You can't insist that Lisbon is flowing over with junkies, when people can actually check. I've been to Lisbon. It looked like Oslo. It was rainy. One beggar asked me for money.
What about that dude hanging around in the kids playground? Looks kinda pale and zombie-like, a junkie hopped up on heroin? Meth? Why are there so few kids around?
I see you're not even trying to pursue that "Swedes and Norwegians drink as much as Finns" - theory anymore. I guess even you know how absurd that is. Btw, a beer in a Norway bar/pub/etc. can cost as much as 9 - 10 euros, or even 12! 12 euros for a single beer? And you're saying I'm the nanny state guy? In Finland it's like 4 to 5 euros, even cheaper if it's happy hour. And it often is in places like that, although real happiness does not live in the bottle.
Stay with the actual points - my point was that Norwegian government intends to lower consumption of alcohol by raising taxes, while the result is a continued consumption as-per-usual, with the added element of illegally home-brewn booze, that has claimed lives - including the lives of minors.
As for the "dude hanging around", maybe it's one of the kids parents. Or someone waiting for a friend. Or someone enjoying the weather. I really don't see why it has to be a heroinist, of all things...
Lulz?! Seriously now? Grasping for straws much?
Let's change the subject allready
How about that Trump, eh?
Is there a change of political pendulum momentum in any foreseeable future?
Are humans incapable of steering themselves into moderation, without first having to explode in a world-blazing fury of mass destruction and millions of dead?
Are we destined for that big all out war?
Trump recently shared informations with his superiors.
Speculate freely, what do you think the end game here is?
Personally, I am suspecting/fearing a long term ambition of Russia to promote someone who will be willing to stand aside, and let Europe fend for itself. Trump has allready shown a disdain for NATO and foreign involvement (although he flip flops a lot)
But mostly - Russia seems to be coaching Trump into generally supporting Russia
Maybe it's part of Russia's territorial ambition, to get one of the main obstacles out of the way. Europe sans USA is a bit doccile. Sure, we have the potential to wake up and fight back given enough prodding, but their incursion into the Ukraine looked like a very successful dry-run for them. Not only that, but their occupation of south Ossetia in Georgia as well. There is Transnistria in Moldova, unification ambitions with Belarus, and posturing towards the baltic states.
It's not like they intend on conquering all of Europe - just enough for the rest of Europe to go "mmmm-not worth it" despite NATO members being targeted
Russia plotting to take over the US through a manchurian president and Randsomeware viruses taking over hospitals around the globe.
When did earth fall into an 80's movie?
In home base, Trump has allready hinted to outright invading Mexico (well, he might not have intended to hint at it, considering he has little control of what comes out of his mouth), but the whole "get them bad hombres!"-thing that Mexico - like any real world country - has to take seriously, "dude, you're talking about invasion"
"nono, just going in there to get them bad hombres!"
"nono, the bad hombres."
"which means youll invade. do not invade!"
Didn't he threaten to invade his own country too?