General Discussion Thread of DOOM

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by TorontRayne, Jan 3, 2015.

  1. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    It updates 2 hours after it airs in Japan on Crunchyroll.
     
  2. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Misanthropic God of Rations Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    I wonder what video editing program they use?



    Also obligatory Spidey video.

     
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  3. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    People always are on about how non watcher of GoT are always bragging about not watching it, but I've had more problems with people assuming I watch the show and the start talking about shit I get completely lost about. I usualy manage to decipher what show it is by some specific words like Kaleshi, Lannister and Dire Wolf.
     
  4. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Misanthropic God of Rations Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    I hear you talk more about the show than me and I actually watch it so I can see why they think that.
     
  5. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    I have only talked about it yesterday and today to my recollection. I usually talk more about weeb shit at work tbh.
     
  6. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Misanthropic God of Rations Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Just busting your balls.

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  7. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    That gut got as much game as me.
     
  8. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    GoT is shit. Song of Ice and Fire is shit. GRR Martin is shit.

    First three books were okay tho
     
  9. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Misanthropic God of Rations Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Disagree strongly. The worldbuilding is great. The show just jumped the shark due to passing Martin up and the hype.
     
  10. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    First three books were great and a lot of stuff in there, from worldbuilding to characters, was a milestone in fantasy literature.
    But then Martin turned out to be a hack and took a decade to release two mediocre books, before reverting his interest to the mediocre high-budget TV show which, naturally, made a hack job adapting his original work (I'll admit the show has some good things to it, and first season was good, but like the books it went to shit soon after). Martin doesn't seem to mind. Because he is an asshole.

    Seriously, that guy has been writing five fucking books for 25+ years, and then basically laid out his plans for the rest of the story to the show producers. In other words, fuck my longtime fans and my literary work, show based on the stuff I've written is more important.

    On the other hand, it's not like I fully blame the guy. It was probably a moment of self-revelation for him when he threw his artistic integrity of a niche-genre writer through a window to become a millionare and chill out during his last decade of life or so. Big deal. I can't say I wouldn't do the same.

    But as someone who has been following his work for a while now, fuck him and all the shit he spawned.
     
  11. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Misanthropic God of Rations Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    But he brought critical acclaim to a genre that has been typically looked at as a joke on TV so I think it evens out. Really it is people like you, his book fans, that lose due to the whoring out of the series. Much like Walking Dead has gone through.
     
  12. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    American Gods is awesome tho, just wish the first season was longer, then again it's probably so they don't go bankrupt.
     
  13. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Misanthropic God of Rations Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Of course I'm not a reader of the source material on that either.
     
  14. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    Well, I wouldn't say he brought critical acclaim as much as he cemented it for the time being. I'd say LotR did the first thing. GoT certainly did a lot to push fantasy in 21st century mainstream, at least for television.
    Problem with both of those are that they are really massive. LOTR is one of the biggest franchises ever, and so is GoT. They both created a sort of criteria that other fantasy works and adaptations will need to adhere if they wish to stay relevant with wider audience. In other words, if you don't have a massive budget backing you up, your fantasy work, regardless of its actual quality, will still get a B-treatment.

    On the other hand, one has to interpret GoT as not just a fantasy show. It's high fantasy, sure, but with things like violence, sex and other "mature" stuff taking the spotlight, I'd say it's not the fantasy elements that bring the wider audience to the show as much as the other things I've mentioned. I mean, typical GoT show fan loves seeing them dragons, but would probably scoff if you invited them for a DnD session.
    I guess time will tell. From what I know, Wheel of Time and The Witcher are getting their big-budget TV adaptations soon (TW is made by Netflix, and I think WoT is made by...Sony?). Both of them, if they get made, will eventually be measured against GoT, the benchmark of modern mainstream fantasy. Their success, and the success of similar hypothetical shows, will tell if fantasy as a genre has moved from its niche underground roots or to actual mainstream*.


    *It's worth noting that fantasy is mainstream. Just look at sales of Skyrim, Witcher and so on. But video games and television audience are very different, so I'm not mentioning video games now.
     
  15. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    Am I the only one who finds the Preacher tv show pretty unappealing to watch? It looks so cheap and not on porpouse.
     
  16. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Misanthropic God of Rations Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Hasn't even looked appealing for me to watch it so I don't know.
     
  17. JohnnyEgo

    JohnnyEgo Mostly Harmless

    Oct 22, 2007
    I have never read any of the Game of Thrones books. I have watched most of the TV series, because my wife loves it. I get the impression that it is most popular with people such as her, who may not have ever read a sci-fi / fantasy book in her life. It is essentially a soap-opera; a Hard-R version of 'Dynasty' but with zombies and dragons. There have certainly been episodes I have enjoyed, but if not for her love of the show, I could very easily walk away.

    I like 'Preacher' well enough, though I never read the series it was based on, so perhaps I have less to be disappointed by. I thought the first season was brilliant and subversively hilarious. I am mostly ambivalent about the whole road-trip second season.

    I loved 'American Gods'. I like Neil Gaiman in general, and I was apprehensive about how a book I loved was going to translate to the screen. I think it is fantastic. I could watch Ian McShane eating a salad, and I am pretty sure I did just that in both the 'John Wick' movies. The casting is excellent, and the material is probably a little more accessible then the novel for most folks.

    The two other shows I have truly enjoyed over the last year have been 'The Expanse' and 'Cleverman'. Both shows took me an episode or two to get into, but again, being unencumbered by any knowledge of source material, I have been able to appreciate them at face value.
     
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  18. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    This is a good summary of what GoT basically is. In essence, it's not a bad thing - or it wouldn't be if the books weren't like that at all.
    Oh well..
     
  19. Big No

    Big No Watch as I open and close this door

    Oct 28, 2014
    Pretty sure they stated the quality was mean't to be cheap visually so it would go hand in hand with the show's absurdity.

    The first scene of the series for example, it looks like something out of a b-movie from the 50s. It was stated in Talking Preacher that the editing crew that did that scene usually did high quality work when it came to other IPs but were told specifically to make this scene " look as low budget as possible". Considering the very next scene has a dude exploding after thinking he's the chosen one, I think it adds to the fun.
     
  20. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    I've read American Gods the book and some others from Gaiman. I think it's a good concept, not sure how the tv-series is made. I'm not a huge Gaiman fan though, I've been to his lecture when he visited Finland. He had some funny stories. I'm pretty sure he'll continue to be really successful though, he has a really devoted fan base.