Good PC Builds

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by RangerBoo, Apr 9, 2016.

  1. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008


    Fury x owners gain 50% and well ahead of 1070. The stock 480 gaining up to 50% for 240$ (of course only in usa) seems like a steal for dx12 and Vulkan games. This shaves off a lot of my disappointment in the card. Still wish it used a bit less power, but for the performance per dollar it's pretty great.
     
  2. eissa

    eissa Altáriel, Lady of Radiant Garland

    Jan 7, 2016
    i heard that underclocking the card might gives performance boost
     
  3. eissa

    eissa Altáriel, Lady of Radiant Garland

    Jan 7, 2016
    Appareantly, nvidia card make Doom looks worse than when using amd. not sure how it works, but interesting anyway

     
  4. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    I don't think it makes it look worse, from what i understand the Nvidia cards fail to load the textures in time and so you get some lag until proper textures pop into the picture. It supposedly has something to do with Nividia calls for those functions not being aggressive enough compared to AMD.
     
  5. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    So the gtx 1060 is out: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1060_review,1.html

    In broad strokes, it's a much better card in dx11 and opengl than rx 480, however most of the time losing to it in dx12, and i would assume that this will probably continue into the future, as nvidia releases their cards pretty much maxed out in efficiency (good drivers etc).

    On the side note, both of these cards are sold well over their supposed price point where i live:

    RX 480 > 300 euro
    GTX 1060 > 400 euro :OO
     
  6. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

    Jan 28, 2013
    I have a suspicion that the RX 480 will pull ahead of the 1060 with Aftermarket cards. There are some people with impressive results on DIY cooling solutions for the RX 480. Someone managed to mount a HD 7870 cooler. Another made a 5-slot monster of a cooler. Someone used LN2 for testing, managed to get to 1700MHz clockspeed but it wasn't very stable. Etc.

    Personally, I am still using my good ol' build. Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, no OC (this case is so small I don't want to risk it and I don't even know if my MB supports OCing) and the ATi HD 5450.

    Finished The Witcher 3 + All DLCs on 6 FPS with that setup. Doing New Game+ playthrough now, but I am starting to get headaches while playing it. Going to take a bit of a break.

    Dialogue is extremely hilarious at low FPS btw. You see how animations/expressions gradually change and if you focus hard you can even see the frames getting changed!
     
  7. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    Wtf, that game costs more than your gpu, surely you jest good sir?
     
  8. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

    Jan 28, 2013
    Dead serious.



    I played Metro 2033 Redux and LL Redux on it too. I finished them both, but I had to use savegames on several areas because extremely low FPS means that ingame scripts trigger very late and it bugs out a lot of stuff.
     
  9. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008


    Did you lose a bet or something?
     
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  10. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

    Jan 28, 2013
    Well, to keep it short:

    - Had an old sweet PC with a mighty Pentium 4. Had it from like 2004 or so. Broke in 2011. Got this Dell OEM at 2011. Came with a shitty as fuck GPU. So I wanted to replace it. I had 2 options that are fully compatible. This GPU, or another Nvidia one which had 1 GB DDR3. I don't remember the type but I guess it was a 9800 or something.

    - It worked fine for what I used it for and the games I played.

    - 2013 comes. I start to play serious games. Started to notice some slowness in Fallout NV.

    - 2014 comes. The idea of an upgrade comes to mind. Absurd prices keep me off.

    - 2015 comes. I am motherfucking getting an upgrade. This is unbearable. To my horror, my OEM is a BTX system. I can only fit single slot cards. Now, considering how all GPUs are now dual slot..

    - 2016 comes. I just play with it. I don't care anymore. I bought TW3 + Season Pass in 1/12/2015. Downloaded it on 15/6/2016 or so. Took around 10 days to download (64 kb/s download) I held off the download because 1) My PC was broken. (PSU died after 4 - 5 years) 2) I was hoping I could get something better.

    If I have access to a single slot good GPU, I will upgrade. My current options are:

    - HD 7750 (R7 250). HIS/Sapphire single slot.

    - HD 7770 (R7 250X) Powercolor single slot. Will need PSU upgrade.

    - HD 7850 (R9 270) AFOX Single slot. It exists, but I have not seen a single one for sale on the internet. Many people on the internet say it's some sort of unicorn too. Might be too wide, not sure. Will need PSU upgrade.

    ^ All the above are actually out of stock nowadays, so I am stuck with my GPU. Ebay has weird prices for that stuff and r/HardwareSwap (a good reddit btw) doesn't have the models I want anymore. Most of them were sold 200+ days ago.

    - GTX 750Ti. The best I can have but there are conflicting reports whether it will work or not. There's a good MSI single slot one, but it's actually full height so I don't know if it will work. Also for some reason MSI put a single slot cooler but added 2 fans so it might be a bit wide.

    There are rumors that the RX 460 will be single slot, so I'll wait for that. AOTS benchmarks show the RX 460 being only 8% worse than a stock GTX 960 so.. (however note that AOTS is heavily AMD optimized) But even if the reference isn't single slot, I am sure some aftermarket will be single slot. The whole thing is rumored to be like ~ 60W or so. There's no excuse to make it dual slot. It would be a terrible mistake to be honest.

    Now, one might ask.. "Why don't you just get a whole new rig". Money issues really.
     
  11. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    But how do you buy games and why do you live in the Congo jungles? If you accidentally will drive through the baltics when Zen comes out, i will give you my whole rig for free...

    Also, i had your internet speed in 2004~ :lol:
     
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  12. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

    Jan 28, 2013
    Games are bought through Steam. In the past I would buy a few games with a maximum price of 50 USD (total price. not a couple of 50 USD games) or so. Nowadays I only buy stuff through sales. TW3 was one of the few exceptions. I got it during the Winter sale and it costed 30 USD for the base game and another 30 for the SP (60 total. 10 USD over the norm). Other exceptions were Borderlands TPS (30 for game + 30 for SP + 7 for BL1. I had BL2 before that as well), Sniper Elite 3 (pre order.. first time pre ordering and probably last time. there's no incentive to pre ordering really. the DLC that was bundled for pre ordering isn't that good.) + CoH 2's Western Front DLC. (also another pre order).

    Living in Egypt actually thankfully, not the Congo. That would have been even worse. Electronics right now are actually similarly priced to Europe. Some are more expensive. For example the RX 480 here costs 300 - 320 USD. That's roughly the same price you'd pay if you bought it from Amazon + taxes + shipping. Some prices are outdated though. GTX 980Tis here still cost 600 - 800 USD while the rest of the (modern) world had price cuts. GTX 1080s cost 900 - 1 200 USD around here. (I honestly swore when I saw that price) GTX 1070s are priced more "reasonably". 460 - 550 USD. Funnily enough the GTX 970 is more expensive than the RX 480 by like 100 USD :D

    Main problem is that living conditions here are meh.

    Btw, relevant reddit picture:

     
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  13. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    Current price of a VGA PCIE16 GTX1060 6GB GDDR5/STRIX here is 424 Euro... The cheapest 980Ti here costs 511 euro, while some go over 750 euro. The modern world is not as vast as you might think :D.
     
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  14. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

    Jan 28, 2013
    Don't have 1060s around here yet I think. I am curious if they'll be priced around RX 480 levels or more expensive.
     
  15. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    So AMD is the way to go then, what would be the AMD equivalent to say a 980 ti or 1080? As for DX12 and Vulcan games from all the good things I keep hearing about them compared to Nvidia I'm guessing AMD is better in every way?
     
  16. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

    Jan 28, 2013
    980Ti and Fury X trade blows a lot in games. Specially in 4K. 1080 has no AMD match so far. Rumored to be Vega.
     
  17. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    I keep seeing those DX12 and Vulkan benchmarks where AMD cards are doing much better than Nvidia is. I say if that's the case then I would prefer to switch over to them since it seems more and more games are switching from DX11 to those two APIs.
     
  18. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    If you can, wait until all the dx12 titles start to coming out this fall and also by then all the release date nvidia vs amd drama will have cooled down and we will be able to take a more sober look at the situation. If you are in the market for a high end card, waiting until the big pascal (nvidia) and vega (amd) might be a good idea, because nvidia has no competition in the 1080 range thus far, so they are pricing their upper tier cards ridiculously. Vega might, or might not change that situation (just look at how they dropped the price on 1060 because of the rx 480).

    As for amd doing better in dx12 and vulcan, well amd cards are most often beefier (spec wise) than the nvidia counterparts, but on dx11 that extra horsepower was laying dormant, while nvidia pulled out every bit of power they could from maxwell and pascall. DX12 and Vulcan enable the developers to use those extra features of amd (asynchronous compute) much more efficiently, the same way they are doing for the ps4 and xbox1 (both of which have an amd apu inside them), so provided the game is well optimised, you see those enourmous gains, like in doom, for amd, because on top of not being able to use features like asynchronous compute efficiently in dx11, they also had a very large API overhead (the video that i posted above talks about that). Now what remains to be seen, is if developers of dx12 games are good enough to optimize those games to a level that would make amd cards much more efficient. Nvidia cards are still very good even in dx12, but they don't have much room to grow, while amd ones do, but we have to see how things play out once the dx12, vulcan games start comin out (plus, we haven't seen how well their (both amd and nvidia) aftermarket cards lock horns.
     
  19. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Good point, as long as you guys post all of the goodies. I'm not too "informative" when it comes to AMD like their card names as I haven't really owned one but if they outperform Nvidia in those new titles with those APIs then it might be worth a switch. Like you said though I'll wait until everything settles down. I heard that Nvidia brute forces DX11 games but they weren't made with asynchronous compute(due to them not having it "built in" and AMD having it built in hardware wise) while Nvidia has to use software which doesn't give it as good of gains as AMD. Is any of that true?
     
  20. eissa

    eissa Altáriel, Lady of Radiant Garland

    Jan 7, 2016