Gun Control

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    I'm just going to shake my head when the next mass shooter (you know, that isn't gang-related, because those kinds of mass shootings only count when they want them to count. Schrodinger's Mass Shooting!) uses a completely-compliant weapon that required NO special tax stamps and Feinstein throws another shitfit while Californians scratch their heads and go "WHY ISN'T IT WORKING WHY ISN'T IT WORKING".
     
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  2. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003
    Haas

    That is a hell of a reach to justify a shitload of additional and unnecessary regulations. That is like banning weapons because they look scary.

    I once got into a debate where I whittled down my opponent to saying he doesn't like pseudo assault rifles because of how dangerous a rifle round was.

    I told him if rifle rounds were the problem, he would have to ban every fucking rifle out there as most use the same caliber as rifles made for hunting. 308, 30-30, .223, etc.

    He tried to complain about how assault rifles have higher capacity mags but I pointed out Glocke pistols can accommodate Beta C mags, 100 rounds. A clever mass shooter could duel wield two pistols with 200 rounds.

    He tried to bitch about how cost, effectiveness, and how an assault rifle is easier to use. I told him any rifle is harder to use as it has more recoil, therefore more training is needed to fire effectively. I also explained your average assault rifle, even a cheap one, will run an american around $800. A quality semi-auto rifle will cost you around $1000+. A good pistol here will run you around $800, cheaper if you get inferior quality. And about effectiveness, two pistols with beta c mags, shooting into a mass of people, close range, is going to do a fuck ton more damage than a single assault rifle. Not to mention, the ease of carry and conceal means unlike an assault rifle, which needs to be reloaded and takes up a lot of space in a bag, pistols can be simply discarded and others brought to bear in a bag stuffed with them.

    The whole hate on pseudo assault rifles thing is nothing short of being absofuckinglutely asinine.
     
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  3. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    Dude that's exactly what gungrabbers do. MATTE BLACK BABY KILLERS. Show them an outline of an AR15 variant and they'll clutch their fucking pearls, show them a Fudd-ed AR15 with none of the "skurry" parts and even though it's very nearly the same weapon they'll shrug. These people probably think Picatinny rails make the boolet fly faster and kill more babies or some shit, this is the level of idiotic gun-mythology we are dealing with here.

    EDIT: Don't Beta C mags have serious feed issues though (something about the springs wearing out pretty fast)?
     
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  4. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Yeah, for sure. It basically IS banning weapons because they look scary, but these particular features of a rifle do make them suitable for shooting lots of people quickly.
    It's just pointless to ban them, because a handgun can also fit a lot of bullets into a magazine, and it can fire them fast and accurately. And most mass shootings are not done at normal combat ranges where a pistol cartridge loses too much stopping power and accuracy, they are usually at much closer range, and there a handgun has more than enough stopping power.
    I mean, there's no real reason to have a semiautomatic rifle with an intermediate cartridge, pistol grip, 20+ magazine size and flash hiders besides the tacticool factor, but banning that stuff is pointless, too. Let people have their tricked out ARs, they're not the biggest danger.
     
  5. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    They cry about 22 caliber AR's at Walmart because of how they look, not knowing a 22 is a pussy round smaller than the Pariah Dog's dick (the avatar not the user, who I assume has a perfectly normal size genital thing)...

    Military experts should make our gun laws.

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    Also, there is a reason Hass. It's called target practice.
     
  6. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003
    Beta Cs do have their issues. That doesn't mean we can rule them out as ineffective, which they clearly are not. I also brought it up because we do not hear a fucking PEEP about pistols being banned, even though they by far, through ease of use, carry and conceal, are used far more often in crimes and shootings.
     
  7. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Because our economy would collapse.
     
  8. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    Oh, I would never see a pistol with a Beta C and go "Ha, you're gonna have feed problems so you're totally not a threat". Gun's a gun, really, and you treat them all with respect or you ded. Still, doesn't surprise me that they have issues - reminds me of one of the biggest beefs with the Calico helical mags actually (faulty springs/pain in the ass to load/etc)
     
  9. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Giant drum magazines almost always have issues and are a pain to deal with. There's a reason they're never the (only) standard issue. And it's not just that they're shitty to carry :D
     
  10. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    I don't think there's even a mag carrier designed for them, so have fun carrying your spare Beta Cs in a bag or something else wonky/stupid and geeky looking. Pretty sure any military outfit or PMC would laugh at Beta Cs, helical mags, etc (though the Russians did give the Bizon SMG a helical mag and isn't it supposedly used by their special forces?)

    Regardless, Beta Cs and so on are basically fucking mallninja-tier shit and while I don't support a ban on them necessarily I probably wouldn't lose much sleep over it.
     
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  11. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003
    I am pretty sure Beta Cs are meant to be a novel mag, good for fun but that is about it. Doesn't mean it cannot be abused to good effect. While it won't fit with tactical vests, bags are open season.
     
  12. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    The Soviets issued drum mags with their PPsh 41 submachine guns, but usually soldiers would carry only one drum mag in their gun and several normal mags on their bodies.
     
  13. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    Didn't even know the PPSh41 had normal stick mags. You see them on a lot of the PPSh's later cousins/derivatives but most pictures of PPSh41s show them with the drum.

    EDIT: Huh, mickimebia has a pic of a PPSh with a box mag. Can't unsee the fucking FO3 shotgun when I look at a PPSh41.
     
  14. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    The drum mags are iconic, but they're not something you wanna reload in the field or carry on your body, and sometimes even soviet soldiers would survive longer than a single drum.
     
  15. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    IIRC they didn't load those PPSH drums to full capacity since they would malfunction.

    They exist but they are stupid huge. Since the US Marines adopted the M27 IAR they've been experimenting on drums and pouches to go with them.
     
  16. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    How about you gun nuts start "whacking" each other since you seem to be in disagreement about this issue. Or shooting or whatever.
     
  17. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    It is better for people to not whack each other just because they are Nazi's.
     
  18. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Still better than the MP40/I with the dual mags which just sucked all the balls.
     
  19. SilverStarApple/Epsilon7

    SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Oct 27, 2017
    I'm not Nazi, I'm Libertarian and a former Liberal. I #LeftTheLeft, I chose to #WalkAway from the left, because they're the real Nazis.

    You know what Nazi stands for? The german way of spelling National Socialist. Hitler was a failed Liberal art college student who blamed all his problems on an ethnicity he deemed Priveleged and got others to do the same. He accelerated his rise to power by intimidating opposition groups into silence with threats of violence, which he justified with the same "They're oppressing us" bullshit you see from the actual neo-nazis today. You know, the BLM, Feminist, Antifa, NeverTrumper crowd, the psychotic animals who think it's ok to riot, smash stores up, threaten people they disagree with, attack people they disagree with, kidnap and torture people, and openly endorse terrorist organizations out of sheer psychotic loathing for the straight white male and his creations, his media, and his family.

    Did the Nazis have two or three virtues in common with any right-wingers at some point? Doesn't matter, they had over twenty more sins in common with modern leftists.

    Stopped reading there. The left voted against freeing the slaves. The left want your guns taken away. The left hates human rights, you can't deny that. If you consider the left a good thing, you're using the wrong definition of good, or the wrong definiton of the left. A typical lefty tactic, really. That's Solipism, the "Art" of trying to redefine your opponent's argument and what's being argued about. Also known as dishonesty.


    That's the USeful Idiots of the modern left for you. They deal in feelings, not in facts. They don't want to hear facts that go against their hurt feelings and take away their percieved reasons to feel bad feels, they want to get revenge on you and on reality for their hurt feelings. Guns scare them, so they want guns banned. They think when leftists are in charge, they'll implement the new perfect Fully Automated Space Communism, so utopia will be achieved for everyone and everyone will live happily ever after.

    That's the Stupid Leftist, motivated by stupidity and an inability to see why facts are better than feelings. The Evil Leftist wants your guns banned because he/she/zer/shim doesn't want you to be able to defend yourself from rapists, murderers, or terrorists. The Evil Leftist just really fucking hates you, and any show of feelings is utterly fake.

    And that's the left, right there. Evil people who hate you and want you dead, and stupid people too stupid to see why hating you and wanting you dead is wrong. No wonder so many people are choosing to #WalkAway from this unhinged shitshow.
     
  20. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    I wasn't saying you are. I was implying hitting people because of opposing viewpoints is dumb.
     
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