Gun Control

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA A Smooth-Skin

    Oct 26, 2016
    In U.S. markets (consumer sales), yes. I can't find anything else internationally except that of the 34% weapon sales that the U.S. government conducts, 18% of it goes to Saudi Arabia.
     
  2. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    And the Saudis are so loving and nice folks, constantly targeting and wiping out school busses full of kids with USA made missiles in Yemen etc. Nice people. I understand why USA is doing business with them.
     
  3. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA A Smooth-Skin

    Oct 26, 2016
    Shifting goalposts from gun control to missile control. Can't win with you Mutant.
     
  4. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    It's the same industry.
     
  5. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    Really? Can't remember the last time I bought a gun from Raytheon or Lockheed-Martin.
     
  6. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Good. Too bad the Saudi's can't say the same.
     
  7. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Indeed, I can hop on down to the good ol' wally world and buy myself a Ruger Brand ICBM.
     
  8. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Whatever helps you keep those blinders on about the results of gun violence and gun trade by USA.
     
  9. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    I shouldn't even dignify this with a response, but you do realize some of the most vaunted names in firearms manufacturing are from Finland right? Valmet? SAKO? The Jatimatic?

    Get off your high horse. I don't think it likes you very much.
     
  10. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Oh no American Gun violence, the ever decreasing statistic that sees it's news coverage increase because it fits the narrative of certain political groups,whatever will we do. Oh no International Weapons selling which somehow only becomes a reprehensible act when America does it because nobody cares if the Missile was French. I got to admit Sclaper, you've erased the line between trolling and stupid and I don't think it is ever coming back.
     
  11. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    It takes a special kind of person to gloat over that and exploit it for virtue signalling material.
     
  12. CaptBob

    CaptBob First time out of the vault

    Sep 20, 2018
    We try to sell to the good guys, black Christians in Sudan could probably use a few, with their government arming radical militia to exterminate them. But that would just increase the violence, huh. You think better unarmed people get chopped up with machetes, then at least no one got hurt by a GUN. Point being there are worse things than availability of weapons sometimes. It can give political power to common people. It's when it's in the hands of some only like was it Haiti where only 200 armed men took over the whole country with some WW2 leftover rifles not too long ago(maybe I'm old)? Hardly any arms in the whole country, so it fell without resistance.
    And sorry I didn't see the edit button on the mobile version before I see it on desk top version now
     
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  13. GonZo_626

    GonZo_626 Well Shit!

    Jul 29, 2016
    Those fin's do make some great guns. also you guys forgot Sig and Glock as not American companies either (3 of the top 4 hand gun manufacturers in the US are not American) as for the US gun saturation affecting other countries, those would be pretty much only 2. Mexico and Canada, as a Canadian a good portion of our crime guns come from the US. And hell Mexico only has one gun store, located in a military base, in the whole country. Yet somehow firearms not even sold in the US are used there.... gun control, so effective.
     
  14. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Where is the violence located in Mexico though? And also, how many gun companies are there in Mexico?

    Also,

    Also,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_firearms_into_Mexico#Sources_of_weapons

    :-?
     
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  15. GonZo_626

    GonZo_626 Well Shit!

    Jul 29, 2016
    Quite familiar how the most guarded border in the world in very porous and allows much to cross both ways. Also the US Gov has proven they are useless at stopping this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

    So even sting operations to stop this did not work with firearms that were supposed to be tracked. This is just proof that those who want to use firearms illegally find a way to get them. How else do fully-automatic AK's find there way into European criminal/terrorist hands. The point is you can only do so much to stop this activity and outright bans do not stop firearms from making there way into the wrong hands.
     
  16. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Funny how US law enforcement officials are all inefficient when it comes to stopping gun runners.

    Also, gun violence isn't really a big issue in Europe mostly because we have smarter gun laws than in the USA. Not a perfect situation but better than little to no laws at all or enforced at all (USA).
     
  17. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    That's not the whole truth. Our laws aren't really all that much smarter, and while they're probably being more strictly enforced, the main differences are in history and culture. There was no frontier culture in Europe, and most countries have been monarchies of some form for the most time. Guns have been kept out of circulation in civilian hands for most of the time for good reason, and this led to a culture that generally doesn't consider owning guns to be a right but a privilege, that associates guns more with military than with personal freedom, and that all in all relies more on the respective states to protect its citizens rather than citizens protecting themselves. That means there are way fewer guns in circulation, making gun control more efficient since it's not that easy to get a firearm illegally.

    The exception to all this is Switzerland, of course, but they also have less of a frontier culture and more of a communal culture.
     
  18. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Umm...got proof?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Comparison

    If you compare, say, US and UK, the difference in legislation is clear. Also you can make other comparisons such as Finland and Estonia (Estonia has very high gun violence/homicide figures) etc.
     
  19. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Sure, the laws are obviously different, but that doesn't mean the causality is purely with the law and the execution.
    The US suffers from having different laws all over its states, meaning that strict laws in one state don't do much when the surrounding states give you easy access.
    Then there's the issue of culture and history, which I think is very important. Even if you established "Oi, got a permit for that letter opener"-style laws in the US it wouldn't solve anything because there are just too many guns around. The social issues that fundamentally cause crime will not be solved by stricter laws.
    Comparing Finland and Estonia also requires a look at history. Finland was free to grow, Estonia was held back by the USSR, leading to decreased wealth and more crime. Laws alone don't change much.
     
  20. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Well with gun legislation I guess you have the inherent problem of 'proving the positive', meaning how does one show the gun crimes which were stopped with the help of a specific legislation. I'm sure if we were to contact, say, the German police and ask them for proof about cases where they were able to, say, snatch a shipment of illegal weapons specifically because they had the law backing them, then I'm very sure they could site many such cases for you. Would that be enough to convince you, maybe?

    Germany hasn't had a particularily high gun violence rate especially for a big country. However, if Germany were to change it's gun laws to be more like those of USA the situation could change very quickly for the worse. You want proof of this? That would require using 'human guinea pigs' and real blood in the streets of Germany, don't think you want to pay that price.
     
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