Gun Control

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Your free speech is not infringed just because someone decides to close down the comment section on his youtube chanel. I have no clue, why anyone would get that idea, because no one is forced to seek a conversation or accept comments from someone on a video they released. All you're doing on youtube, is to share something. What ever if people want to watch it or not, is up to them. This is the beauty of it. If you feel you have to say something about a video, then you can make your own and upload it to youtube and that's it. But you can not, nor should you force people to listen to what you have to say. Hypothetically speaking, if I wouldn't want to read what you write here, then I can simply add you to my ignore list for example. How's that a viollation of your free speech?
     
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  2. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    But free speech has nothing to do with Youtube comments. If you see a video you really want to talk or comment about, you're still free to do it in social media, your site, your blog, instant messaging, etc.
    Youtube comments are not about free speech, but about mostly idiots that say nothing about anything.

    If you go to a place that shows free videos in real life (let's imagine a cinema that has free movie sessions), you don't start shouting about how the video is stupid and the person who made it is an idiot in the cinema room. Trying to provoke a flame war and see the reactions. If you do that you end up being "escorted" out of the cinema by security or the police.

    What you do is going outside and say that to your friends or anyone who wants to hear it. You share your experience and opinions in the proper places.

    Most relevant youtubers these days even have sites, patreons, forums, discord channels, etc, with links to them from the video pages. So people can actually go to those places to express their opinion if they want to.

    I really think that Youtube comments were originally made as a good thing, but it evolved into a cesspool. Specially because they always become derails that have nothing to do with the video in question. It always has comments replying to comments and forming a conversation between users that is not relevant to the video posted.
     
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  3. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Nonteheless your ignore list works only after you've been logged in, so hypothetically speaking you're hypothetically reading every single post in public categories while not being logged in, for example. Geh weg.
     
  4. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Hmmm, as a small note, right now it seems that a lot of the social networks and culture behind it, could actually do more harm to free speech than you might think. It doesn't seem that social networks or platforms like Youtube actually lead to a more enlightened culture and form of debate, where people engage with each other in discussions. As of right now, those platforms seems to rather polarize a lot of people, regardless of political affiliation and creating bubbles where we only validate the opinions we already have. And on top of it, it seems that there is a huge potential for manipulation, see the bots or Youtubes and Facebooks algorythims, foreign influence like Russia and China, Cambridge Analytica and so on.

    Not really a healthy environment for good debates in my opinion.
     
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  5. The Dopamine Cleric

    The Dopamine Cleric Undefined. Orderite

    Nov 3, 2007

    You're absolutely right!!!

    I should from now on disable replies on my forum threads. You people are too stupid to understand what I am saying anyways, and the thread always go off topic and turns into a shit show.

    Most of these conversations have no purpose anyways, and they don't say anything about anything, it's just the same bullshit recycled over and over again.

    This whole discussion is a waste of time, and has nothing to do with your political free speech.
     
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  6. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Dudes running around shooting with basically full auto weapons in USA = Ok.
    A person or company adjusting the settings in their Youtube video = NOT OK!
     
  7. The Dopamine Cleric

    The Dopamine Cleric Undefined. Orderite

    Nov 3, 2007

    huh? Is that your opinion?
     
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  8. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Except that forums are a place to do this. Youtube is not.
    Youtube is a video sharing platform, not a place for people to comment about stuff that has nothing to do with the videos or derail the comment section.
    The comments are supposed to be related to the video uploaded. Youtube also has rules and terms of service that everyone that comments agreed upon (including, no "Hateful content", no "Harassment", no "Cyberbullying", no "Threats", etc). But then they just seem to forget about those and still break them. Most are lucky that Youtube doesn't seem to enforce those rules, probably because the staff never sees them (I think users can't report comments for some reason).

    Youtube is a private place where users agree upon terms to use it. People don't go to a restaurant, barge into the kitchen and start shouting their hatred of onions or spicy food. It's the same with Youtube. There is no breach of freedom of speech in private places, because you will not be prosecuted by sharing your opinion in those places, but you will most likely be asked to leave and if you don't, you will be charged with trespassing or something like that.
     
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  9. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    With more than five billion videos uploaded a meaningful provider-side moderation for every commented video is out of question, that's why only uploaders have moderation tools with report, remove, and hide functions for their comment section available.
     
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  10. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Indeed. Its just too much traffic and content (videos and comments) to properly moderate. So most shit goes unnoticed.

    And that is why I understand disabling comments on videos.
     
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  11. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    More heroes. You know, they used to have a medal in Soviet Union called "Hero of The Soviet Union" or something. Maybe they should give these guys a posthumous medal too, maybe call it "Medal of Freedom" or something. I think these guys have earned it.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kend...-colorado-shooting_n_5cd2f5d7e4b0a7dffccff08d
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/08/denver-school-shooting-victim-kendrick-castillo



    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/school-shooting-hero-buried-honors/
     
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  12. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    One dead, eight injured. Colorado lost its edge.
     
  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I think in Germany everyone can report Youtubecomments.
     
  14. GonZo_626

    GonZo_626 Well Shit!

    Jul 29, 2016
    How did I know I would find you grave dancing again. Also I don't think bringing up soviet "hero" medals is a good idea, I mean medals from one of the most evil regimes to ever be placed on this planet. They probably would have given the Trump hating leftist shooter the medal, I mean to evil people he would be a "hero". The US hands out Medals of Honor, and yes those who have been on the receiving end of the evil Trump hating leftist should receive some honor instead of dancing around on there graves.
     
  15. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    MoH is a military medal, unless of course you're suggesting that the US society is in a perpetual state of civil war.
     
  16. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
     
  17. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Look at this 12 year old kid though Crni. He had to be prepared to "go down swinging". Isn't that kind of sad though?



    Hey here's an idea, maybe start building these reinforced shelters in US schools, they could be called "vaults". In a school shooting situation the kids would go to the "vault". Teachers would be the designated "vault overseers". These "vaults" would also act as nuclear shelters just in case US foreign policy doesn't quite pan out in the best way possible.
     
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  18. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    And what kind of insight are we going to get from this? Who are you trying to reach here? We had a crazy shooter killing toddlers in Orlando with his rifle. And absolutely nothing changed.

    At this point, more coverage and more 'grave dancing' to quote Gonzo, is doing jack shit. It's not going to convince anyone nor is it going to improve the situation. All you're doing, is making a jackass out of your self and that's it.

    That's simply the truth here. So what are you trying to achieve?
     
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  19. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Eventually things will change. Then people will look back and think "Well, that change should have been done a lot sooner".
     
  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    A person shoot 12 toddlers or so, with his rifle. No one. Fucking no one, is going to think that. Do you know what the people do? They post on their twitter "I think I'll buy some stuff for my AR-15 today. That'll piss off a Liberal.". This is the kind of conversation we reached and you're doing absolutely nothing here to change the situation, but simply throwing more gasoline on a fire. That's what you're doing. And it's iritating. But do as you please. If you think this is the way to make changeh happen, so be it. But if that was the right way, we would have already seen change. But you could as well go and bang your head on a wall I suppose as try to change someone or what ever.
     
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