How Do You Feel About Gender Identity Hw ?

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Fizzycswag, Aug 29, 2018.

Is Gender Identity Important?

  1. Yes

  2. No

  3. I don't know

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  1. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 26, 2007
    The problem I have with this, is that when you refer to them (to somebody else) by their [newly assumed] gender... it is effectively lying. I know a male street artist—with a wife, who claims to have had 'the surgery', and he now truly believes that any person who does not refer to him as a woman is breaking the law. He is a mutilated man in a dress—but that was his choice to make; and he seems happy with it. We should all be so happy with our own permanent choices.

    I've seen far stranger things here, and this just doesn't register as significant; he can act however he wants... but I have managed to avoid ever actually referring to him as a woman, and I won't... if it ever comes down to it.

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    Aside: But when it comes to fighting [woman to 'woman'] ... on average, these guys can still hit like a man.
     
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  2. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Seems like just going out of your way to be a dick about something that isn't even your bussiness nor affects you in any way. :shrug:
     
  3. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 26, 2007
    It becomes one's business when one is pressured to lie; but this has not happened yet... and probably never will.

    I suspect it would be more complicated if the person was a coworker—or one's boss, and not someone passed on the street occasionally.

    The point was the bit about believing it is against the law to hold a different opinion; in this crazy place, that might someday become truth.
     
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  4. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    So... the entire scenario is a fantasy then.
     
  5. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 26, 2007
    ? [My best guess at your meaning is... no; but I'm not entirely sure what you mean. It's not fictional.]
     
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  6. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    So the entire scenario for you caring enough to be a dick about it is just a victim fantasy.
     
  7. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 26, 2007
    You're inventing it at this point. (...and starting a tangent.)
     
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  8. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    What am I inventing? You literally said that the reason why you do it is because "IT MIGHT BE TURTH IN THE FUTURE" that it would become illegal to do be a dick somehow, but that you meeting anyone that would force you to do it in any fashion is a scenario that has never happened and isn't even likely to happen. Like, those were your exact words.
     
  9. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 26, 2007
    Ah...That explains it. ;)

    No. I said, that I have so far [politely] avoided ever actually referring to the man as a woman—and that it might never happen; ie. never come to that.

    I also (later on) extrapolated that at some [eventual] point in the future, it might actually become legally required to refer to a person by their chosen gender. We live in an age where people have started to view any contrary opinion held by others, as a viable threat to their life.
     
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  10. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Walpknut essentially said that if you don't believe in what he believes, you are an asshole.
     
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  11. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    I know it's hard to do in this kind of discussions, but I think the whole thread would work better if you tried to argue actual points instead of trying to argue what your opponent might or might not say in a slightly hyperbolic fashion.
    And if you don't think what I think, well, you're wrong.
     
  12. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    What are peoples opinion on how they are transphobic if they refuse to date transgender people. I find the whole thing hilarious.
     
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  13. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    Jun 30, 2018
    Men are men, women are women.
    If people want to live their lives outside of reality, fine. But don't go out of your way to make your personal demons with what you were born with between your legs into anything but a private affair.
     
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  14. itsBella

    itsBella First time out of the vault

    Jul 24, 2018
    This won't be a big issue if some people learn how to respect others gender identity. I think everyone has the right to be whoever they want to be.
     
  15. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 26, 2007
    I can agree with that—to a point... but isn't the issue that of when a person insists that the rest of society play along in their (personal) fantasy?—worse...play along or be censured.

    Someone could just as equally insist that they are an elf —and demand deference; yes they could get the cosmetic surgery for that appearance. A person could get the alterations to look like a tiger, or a lizard... should they also be addressed as their choice of cosmetic being? Should that be on their driver's license, or birth records?—a tiger?
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    Would it make you uncomfortable telling a new acquaintance (or an employer) that you went to grade school with your best friend—who is a clever and talented...lizard? Even if you scoff, and dismiss this as hyperbole... at least understand the parallel.
     
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  16. Chromevod

    Chromevod Nope.

    May 25, 2011
    That respect is a two way street. People have a right to choose who they date, and what sort of person. Straight people shouldn't be forced to date someone of the same gender, gay people the opposite, etc.

    If someone is trans and trying to get dates, they owe it to potential partners to be honest about it and accept the reality of their situation. Some people just aren't going to be okay with dating someone who is trans, and that's actually completely fine. To be blunt, if you go through the transition process, you need to accept that your potential dating pool is going to drastically shrink.

    If someone who's trans makes an argument that they someone is somehow transphobic because they wouldn't want to date them probably couldn't get a date in the first place anyway on account of being such completely insufferable piece of shit.
     
  17. MPPlantOfficial

    MPPlantOfficial Still Mildly Glowing

    Aug 24, 2017
    The chances of actually encountering ACTUAL SJWs is really low and much much lower for these cosmetic surgery freaks. Most people are basing their opinions off of compilations of the loud vocal minority "gitting 0wN3d hlulzz" by a speaker when in reality most gay members of society are regular people just like you and me who have their set of beliefs.
     
  18. Hulk'O'Saurus

    Hulk'O'Saurus First time out of the vault

    Jul 10, 2018
    I cast a 'No,' mostly because I don't want to be involved in anyone's choices which come across as strange to me. I usually shrug and turn away to something that's interesting to me... like games :D... which is no more productive than getting your pecker removed, but at least I don't try to make somebody tell me that I am involved in an intellectual pursuit by brain stimulation.

    I don't deal with such people but I think if somebody has got enough time for this, then they have enough time to find happiness in a different, less expository way. Come to think of it, the whole 'Gender Identity' shenanigans does seem like people seeking publicity for publicity's sake. I don't think that if somebody was genuinely happy with what they've chosen for themselves they'd have the need to further project onto others.
     
  19. Daniel The NCR Veteran

    Daniel The NCR Veteran I'm NCR and Proud.

    Apr 9, 2018
    If I had $1 dollar bills for each gender I'd have 2 and a bunch of counterfeits.
     
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  20. MaxStories

    MaxStories Dark lord of dark darkness

    Aug 18, 2018
    This is perfect response.