How I (kind of) justify Fallout 4's lore breaks

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by DiddlePants, Apr 15, 2017.

  1. DiddlePants

    DiddlePants First time out of the vault

    Apr 15, 2017
    I like to believe the SS is slowly going insane throughout the course of the game. With watching their spouse die, waking up to a completely destroyed world with horribly mutated creatures, losing their son, etc. I believe the Commonwealth took a toll on the mind of the playable character. This also works as a way to "justify" all the lore breaking things Bethesda has done. For example, "Kid in the fridge" can be seen as a crazy hallucation from the guilt of losing his son, or the Cabot house quest can just be one crazy hallucation that didn't even happen. This is further justifiable if you go to that lab that has hallucation gas everywhere, making it that you can wave all lore inconsesties as the SS just seeing things that aren't really there (alien in the cave and the ufo crash for example).
    The SS's sanity degrades even more from all the time spent at the island during the events of Far Harbor (it's said in game staying in the fog for a long time drives a person mad). I believe with all the shit the SS went through, along with the fog, it completely snapped the SS, so by the time Nuka world is played, one can argue that the character has completely lost it and has turned fully insane and evil. I personally find role playing this way makes the game more enjoyable and the lore breaks don't bother me as much. While it's kind of cheap to label everything has a hallucination I find it better then to attempting to justify all the lore breaks throughout the game. What are your guys thoughts?
     
  2. Tiny Tim

    Tiny Tim It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Sep 29, 2015
    hehe, nice try. But there's no ambiguity or hidden irony whatsoever in the universe of F4, only black and white morals. There's hardly any transcendency involved. So it doesn't remotely look like a madman's dream in my opinion, and its inconsistencies ( logical or ideological ) are there by accident. The only dreamlike sequence i can think of - again by accident - is the ridiculous prologue which is like a real life tranquility lane right before the bombs fell. But even there, the game's aesthetics are simply not interesting enough to justify its stupidity.
    No, i'm pretty sure the game sadly wants you to accept what you see as being realistic. You would think that things so unconvincing would have to be metaphors, but there isn't any indication of that.

    Even the magic stuff like the gypsy psychic or the place where they alter your memories are meant to be taken literally. Kid in the fridge is no exception.

    PS: By your post, i assume your brain just wants to justify the crap it's receiving so that you can keep enjoying the game. It is normal. Suspension of disbelief can only go so far though, so i wouldn't. Instead, accept the game as is and treat it like minecraft, to get the most of it.
     
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  3. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    The game is garbage even compared to the fucking old STALKER games.

    /thread.
     
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  4. 0wing

    0wing Все умрут, а я волномут

    Mar 23, 2015
    I'll S.T.A.L.K. you to death if you don't stop bringing STALKER as some borderline low merit for an open-ended FPS. If anything, modern Far Cry suits better. And yes, Far Cry did open world better than Fallout 4.
     
  5. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    I like to use STALKER because it IS a good game.

    And of all people who made it, it was some Russian/Ukrainians who were probablly drunk all the time.
     
  6. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    Honestly, a game needs to be good for me to bother hand-waving.

    I can hand-wave some of the ridiculous stuff Fallout 2 does because it's a fun-enjoyable game.

    Handwaving a crap game like Fallout 4 seems pointless, when you can just pretend it doesn't exist.
     
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  7. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Wait, Fallout 4? There's no such thing.
     
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  8. Charwo

    Charwo It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Mar 9, 2017
    Careful, an admin might lock the thread for saying stuff like that. They did for mine.
     
  9. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Huh...Well, they do kinda hate Anti-Fallout 4 circlejerk, but that is what half of this forum is about. XD
     
  10. Charwo

    Charwo It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Mar 9, 2017
    See this I don't get. I thought the whole point of NMA post-2008 was to circlejerk how awful Bethesda's vision of Fallout is. I joined specifically to circlejerk about it. Have they not PLAYED Fallout 4? Do they not comprehend how mind-numbingly awful it is?
     
  11. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    They know how bad it is, the thing is that circlejerking over the same stuff for years kinda annoys them...
     
  12. Ben Soto

    Ben Soto Professional Salt Shaker

    Jul 7, 2014
    They really should've played this up. There's already questions about the Courier's sanity, why not go all the way for the SS?
     
  13. The notorious OVB

    The notorious OVB Realpolitik Scrubjunker.

    Dec 28, 2016
    Because this is Bethesda and not Obsidian.
     
  14. Alleged Girl #9

    Alleged Girl #9 Desert Ranger

    May 18, 2015
    I justify Fallout 4's lore breaks by not playing it.
     
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  15. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    Most admins would agree with you.

    It's just Tagaziel, an admin who just so happened to become a Bethesda fanboy after working with Shoddycast, and looks for any excuse, even if it means interpreting a thread literally, to shut down threads he doesn't like.
     
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  16. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    *WHAT* black and white morality?

    The BOS and Institute are the only real options and both are jackasses.
     
  17. Kadscaner

    Kadscaner NMA's Neighborhood Mutant

    Feb 4, 2016
    /thread