How is Caesar's army not a joke?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Question2, Jun 20, 2017.

  1. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    They're forgetting even more that the game, the source, the base of lore, opens up for either side to completely demolish the other, depending on player choice :V
    Maybe they did not fully accomplish it, but the intention certainly was for all four sides (NCR, Legion, House, Independent Vegas) to have an equally plausible shot at victory

    Once people forego the obvious answer to a question, and keep asking, we're going into dead-horse-beating territory, and threads like these go on for months, before finally drowning in the older pages, before getting re-created all over again

    NCR would win.
    No Legon would win.
    No, they dont have good weapons
    No, NCR are too stretched thin

    ^Game parameters, guys, game parameters :D
     
  2. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    That's why it's called a stalemate.
     
  3. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Misanthropic God of Rations Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Then the Courier turns things around. That is why Obsidian games are great. You can alter the outcome of the story.

    Kimbell getting assassinated would be devastating since he was partly responsible for keeping the NCR there. Hanlon already wanted the NCR to pull back.
     
  4. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Exactly, the stalemate just sitting around waiting for you is excellent in terms of role playing, it really is. The battle location itself lends even more credibility to the scenario, in that it is a densely packed bottleneck, harrowing for both parties, close quarters (terrible for NCR, facing melee-armed multiple waves of attackers) as well as Legion troops (sitting ducks for out-of-reach rifle positions)

    They really intended it, to the best of their efforts, to make it a true stalemate, where the Courier's actions are the final catalyst, that will completely tip the balance

    Sigh... The sadness... My very first playthrough of NV, I just smiled! I sat there, and just smiled...
     
  5. The Lone Poopyface

    The Lone Poopyface First time out of the vault

    Jun 17, 2016
    If the Legion fought the Brotherhood then they would probably get destroyed,but the NCR isn't that technologically advanced. They have rifles.
     
  6. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    The Brotherhood already got butt smashed by the NCR and their isolationist tendencies make them unprepared for real combat and pretty easy to keep pinned down. Just mine Hidden Valley and drop some rocks on their ventilation shafts, bam, no more brotherhood.
     
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  7. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Brotherhood also have small numbers. While total NCR army can be counted in numbers comparable to current nations, BoS military forces are very small, and dependent on being like "walking tanks", with their power armor and portable miniguns.
    They were never meant to be a conquering force, to expand or even hold territory. They're a sealed bunker, in a world where they probably never really imagined anything more complex than guarding that entrance untill the end of time.

    Obviously not counting the later additions, like "Midwest chapter" and such, which actively recruit from their surroundings, swelling up their ranks.
     
  8. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    While true, that doesn't apply to Caesar's army because they're not guerillas. They're very practically a army with uniforms.
     
  9. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Misanthropic God of Rations Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Well that is just incorrect.

    North Vietnamese troops hid supply lines and conducted guerrilla warfare.
     
  10. Risewild

    Risewild Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Actually, while the Legion is an massive army, they are also very adaptable and usually employ guerrilla tactics to weaken and demoralize the enemy.

    "Guerrilla warfare is a form of irregular warfare in which a small group of combatants such as paramilitary personnel, armed civilians, or irregulars use military tactics including ambushes, sabotage, raids, petty warfare, hit-and-run tactics, and mobility to fight a larger and less-mobile traditional military."

    This is a nice gamepedia quote with good sources.
     
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  11. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Dec 6, 2016
    a fun fact? You can see some legionaries carrying laser pistols in the intro



    01:06
     
  12. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    They are shown trying to secure a deal with the VanGraffs. My guess is that on the battlefield everything is allowed for them, but if they are in Legion territory they have to surrender them else spend the afternoon on a cross.
     
  13. mkba

    mkba First time out of the vault

    Jun 10, 2017
    IRC in van buren some artworks showed a motorized vehicule for ceasar
    so it just the lack of time who makes the legion like it showed in new vegas
     
  14. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Always liked the idea of functional vehicles in Fallout. FO2 has the car, FOT has several vehicles that can be used in-combat, with an immensely cluncy and unpredictable point-and-click mechanism, and I just can - for the life of me - not imagine a functionally implemented vehicle into the current Bethi-fied version of Fallout. Wayyy too cluttered, nowhere to drive the car. In FONV you could have roamed the main roads, although with the speed of a car, you'd have finished those roads in just seconds

    Mad Max was a good example of how driving could have worked in a game like that, which sortof offers the obvious solution - long stretches of nothingness, for you to zoom through on your way from A to B
    (which again would make the car almost a requirement, lest travel be very lengthy (which is kindov like FO2 anyway))
     
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  15. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Dec 6, 2016
    Don´t like this too much.

    Cool concept, but Caesar Legion is inspired by the Roman Empire, they are not the Roman Empire literally. Same thing with Minutemen muskets.

    But that's me.
     
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  16. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    The roman thing rubbed me the wrong way too (same with the bikers-with-no-bikes look of the Khans, alluding to the Mongols motorcycle club I guess), but with Cesars Legion it was a little bit too obvious for my liking. But, fine, I'll play along.

    With the minutemen it became annoying, and not just because of FO4Bethness, but

    From the first moment I saw that dead, soulless face, with that ridiculous outfit, I wanted to rip his head off. I'm not gonna beat this dead horse any further, but my god, my god, I shot him in the face so many times, I would just keep shooting him ad he got wright up and fuckign agme me ANOTHEer mothegfcukgin quest fourth oian a godwmasan ROLSW!!!!

    o_-

    but yeah
     
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