Insanity with Mister Handy

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by Brycen, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. Tawûsê

    Tawûsê First time out of the vault

    Jul 20, 2017
    There's a difference between shitty and disappointing games.

    I wouldn't credit Fallout 4 as an unplayable pile of shit. I believe that, if the engine was used under the right kind of developmental lead, it could potentially be a stark improvement over New Vegas.

    The main problem with Fallout 4 is the lost potential. The people in charge of its development either chose to actively ignore the strides Obsidian took in NV or failed to emulate them.

    And while it's wonderful to give someone the benefit of the doubt every once in awhile, we're talking about a major AAA development studio. These guys should know what the they're doing.
     
  2. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    I rate games compared to other games.

    Fallout 4 is inferior in gameplay in every single way over Fallout 1-2, ergo, its trash.
     
  3. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    Hardcoded 4-dialogue option + 'cinematic' conversation
    Hardcoded perk system
    No skill system whatsoever
    STILL rife with bugs and glitches
    STILL prone to crashes
    LOADING SCREEN when going into buildings/settlements.

    Nah, I'll pass on this engine.

    Sure, we have modders who can go around all of these engine's restriction, but my money's still going into Beth's pocket and not modder's.
     
  4. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    I wish more people did the Tarn Adams thing, and just went 'fuck it, I'm making a good game', free of charge, and operating with crowd funds.

    Imagine what could be done if some of the modders here were funded, and had years to just program a Fallout game.
     
  5. Tawûsê

    Tawûsê First time out of the vault

    Jul 20, 2017
    I was relating it as a hypothetical game, in which would be akin to Fallout New Vegas, in how it was a huge improvement over Fallout 3.

    But Bethesda is just following the recent trend of "Laying off the entire writing department".
     
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  6. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Making money is just not enough, when you run a business and are motivated first and foremost by profit.
    Not to sound like an old commie, but while the developers designing the games might be basement computer nerd art types, the final product will almost always acomodate a business model first and foremost.
    Streamlining is a good way to not only make cash, but make *as much as possible*
    Making more than some, making as-much-as-possible means filing away the sharp, narrow parts, and make it accessible to more potential customers.

    FO2 was well written, but would not and did not sell as heftily as FO3. I went around recommending FO2 to people, back in the day, and they told me "it's not for me" after having tried, most complained about the slow pace and the ammount of "boring text" they felt forced to read. Good writing - pearls before swine
    The exact same individuals had a super-blast with FO3, and found absolutely nothing wrong with it. They loved the speed, the action, the constant boom-bang-bang-boom - and they drop-kicked their money into Bethesdas face

    This is the eternal problem of it, and the exact same thing you also see in the movie industry. Sure, truly intelligent material will generate an income, but streamlined and simplified stuff will generate *much more*, so from a profit point of view - why on earth would they forfeit a single dime?

    (this is also why a tendency is for more intelligent, "deep" entertainment to come from "indie" devs, since these teams are typically dominated, through and through, by creators and artists, putting artistic expression before profit, simply because their publishing company has not yet reached that... state... yet. Bethesda was once like that, small "basement nerd team", putting emphasis on detail, writing, lore, art, expression. Now they're not)
     
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  7. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    Well, there's Tales of Maj'Eyal that has been operating on that kind of business model for years now. You can download and play the game for free from the official website,AND you can choose to donate via the official website or buy the game from Steam/GOG.
     
  8. Tawûsê

    Tawûsê First time out of the vault

    Jul 20, 2017
    I think you sound a bit more like a shrewd capitalist.
     
  9. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    more like "know your enemy"
     
  10. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    "Donations grant some exclusive online features"

    Annnnnnnnnnnd into the trash it goes!

    Tarn Adams gives you the WHOLE game, literally nothing missing from it.

    You know what he does if you donate? He draws you a crude crayon picture.
     
  11. Tawûsê

    Tawûsê First time out of the vault

    Jul 20, 2017
    I think Fallout New Vegas hit a nice "goldilocks" chord in that respect. From what I remember from the trailers, it was mostly the player character mindlessly blowing shit up, yet the game still held some pretty spectacular writing.
     
  12. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    https://te4.org/donate maybe if you look up what are these 'exclusive online features' are you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the game like that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Those are only few minor perks that you really wouldn't miss if you play the game for free considering the roguelike nature of the game.

    Or maybe don't be edgy and try to play the game anyway, see if you REALLY want those donation-exclusive features?
     
  13. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Lets see...

    Special Class:Possessor class

    Custom titles.

    Alter the visuals of items.

    Infinite lives mode.

    Send item to online 'vault'.

    Yep!

    Into the trash it goes.

    Either give people the game, or don't.

    Tarn Adams does, Tarn gives you the whole game, easily modded too, and lets anyone do anythign with the game as long as it's also free.
     
  14. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    1 class out of the whooping 33.

    Cosmetics.

    Easy mode.

    Probably the only thing that shouldn't have been gated by donations.

    Seriously, this is just another case of you not knowing what you're talking about. Besides, thanks to the donations the creator has been adding many, many stuff since its' initial release in 2012. I only bought the game in 2017, yet the game keep getting big ass updates as if it's just released recently.
     
  15. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    No, its a case of myself looking at a product (Dwarf Fortress), seeing an inferior product (whatever the fuck that thing is), and going "Huh, maybe I shouldn't invest in trash".

    This is where it belongs.
     
  16. Risewild

    Risewild Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Then you should start making some free games instead of complaining about free games or wanting others to do them. You know, lead by example :postviper:.
     
  17. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Isn't that a rather overused and mundane argument?

    "Oh you don't like trash? Make something good then!"

    I hate shitty writing, but I can't write.

    I hate shitty movies, but I am not a director.

    I also hate shitty games, but I know fuck all on how to compile code.
     
  18. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    Lol, you're just ignorant here mate.

    I bought the game in 2017 for not even 5 bucks after converted into my country's currency. It's so fucking big. I'm not saying Dwarf Fortress is shit, and here you are saying a game that gives you something really fucking big and only give some minor stuff for donating 'shit'. Just fuck off.
     
  19. Risewild

    Risewild Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    No, it is to show you have no idea what making a game involves. Demanding others to do something you won't do is just being silly.
    I don't make games either, but I don't go around saying that free games are rubbish because they get something minor blocked by a pay wall.
    Again, lead by example or you're just ranting about something just for the sake of ranting.
     
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  20. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Tough luck, its a free game, so I want everything.

    Dwarf Fortress gives me everything, ergo it is the best, and everything else is inferior.

    I know what it involves, and it ain't easy.

    Freemium is cancer.