Most Hated Fallout Character

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by YeeCop, May 29, 2017.

  1. scorptatious

    scorptatious First time out of the vault

    Oct 8, 2012
    See I feel the opposite. Harold is probably one of the most relatable and human characters in the series.

    Set is an arrogant dumbass who apparently is too good to talk like a normal person.
     
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  2. Pariah Dog

    Pariah Dog Smugdog

    Jun 28, 2018
    I like both for different reasons, fite me
     
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  3. AureliusofPhoenix

    AureliusofPhoenix Centurion

    Jun 25, 2018
    Alrighty. But yeah as for Metzger I didn't really hate him. Jo from Modoc though... that's another story. I hated the fucker with a passion, mostly due to his response when you demand to know where the GECK is. I found it obligatory to murder him whenever I did an "evil" playthrough. I also like making him cut his finger off out've spite for previous playthroughs.
     
  4. Pariah Dog

    Pariah Dog Smugdog

    Jun 28, 2018
    See, in the world of Fallout, I don't necessarily think of guys like Manny Vargas or Jo as being evil - some mook comes along with a request and I got shit I need to get taken care of somehow but don't have the time/ability to do it myself, hell yes I'm gonna try and figure out how much what you want is worth to you. Opportunists and skinflints, absolutely, but not evil and hateworthy really.
     
  5. AureliusofPhoenix

    AureliusofPhoenix Centurion

    Jun 25, 2018
    Oh no I don't mean like Manny and Jo are evil; I just find them incredibly irritating bordering on hate. Manny less so, if only because he doesn't get on his soapbox and comment about the "chip on [my] shoulder."
     
  6. Pariah Dog

    Pariah Dog Smugdog

    Jun 28, 2018
    I kind of get where you're coming from, but if anything I can appreciate that they're not mindless information dispensers who just give me what I want for free. I mean, when you roll up on Manny in Novac, think about it - who the fuck are you to him? It makes perfect sense for him to pull a "tell you what, do something for me and I'll do something for you". Same with Jo, really. No free lunches in post-apoc land.
     
  7. AureliusofPhoenix

    AureliusofPhoenix Centurion

    Jun 25, 2018
    That's why I installed that MAD MAX mod for NV off the nexus; Sunny doesn't even give you a varmint rifle to start off :lol:

    But in seriousness, I get the idea, and I'd much rather be given a quest than told the information. My issue is with Jo's personality. He just grates on me, for some reason.

    I mean, think about the Chosen One; you need to save your village. You're in a rush. But act like you're in a rush, and Jo tells you "That's an awfully big chip on your shoulder." and exits dialogue. And I'm not supposed to blind him with my spiked knuckles?

    I take no exception to being given a "manual labor contract"; it's simply how Jo conducts himself that makes me want him sprinting around Modoc without the use of his eyes until he one day wanders all the way onto the coast and gets told he's an illegal alien on Enclave territory and gets fucking critically hit for 48 fucking damage just so he knows what it's like, the prick.
     
  8. Lone Cat

    Lone Cat First time out of the vault

    Apr 8, 2012
    Me
    F1. V13 Overseer (later named Jacoren)..
    The canon ending ended where he evicted player out of Vault 13, and shortly after there's a big riot in the Vault
    F2. I'm yet to finish but the canon Chosen One isn't morally as good as VD... First he spared Metzger (It is possibly that he chose to buy Vic out and left Metzger be. but stung Becky on the behest of The Hole, i'd prefer working with Becky and ended Metzger guild instead) then killed deathclaw hen in Modoc. and then he chose not to help Vault City but favors NCR Annexation. and finally left New Reno without proper leadership and governance. (only granted Justice to the Wrights which in process removed Salvatore Mafia Family completely, the rest of the city however, remains contested and never joined NCR (One of the four families are NCR goons) ).
    F3. Allistair Tempenny and John Henry Eden the ZAX Unit
    F4. yet to play but the morality is rather more complicated, whether did you pro-tech, tradition, freedom or knightly order. you get your sets of morality... more controversial than ever.. where Institute perfectly lies in the gray area and BoS followed the same route the Enclave did... become Fascists themselves.
     
  9. Pariah Dog

    Pariah Dog Smugdog

    Jun 28, 2018
    >Institute
    >gray
    Only in the "what in the goddamn do they really want" sense of the term "gray", IMO.
    As for the BoS, they've always been kind of fucktarded IMO and if anything Lyons' Pride was a massive goddamn asspull and the biggest break in BoS character to date. Not that I think the BoS switching from being glorified raiders and tech-hoarders to being wardens of the wasteland would be a BAD thing, if done well, but still.
     
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  10. The Man From Nowhere

    The Man From Nowhere First time out of the vault

    Oct 28, 2017
    Dr. Madison Li -

    "I've been betrayed! Well I didn't know this war and destruction machine I've been working on was going to be used as a war machine!"
     
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  11. Pariah Dog

    Pariah Dog Smugdog

    Jun 28, 2018
    I've been thinking about it a bit and I'm gonna add Frank Horrigan to my list of "most hated", though the real reason I hate him so much is more meta-related than anything.
     
  12. Lone Cat

    Lone Cat First time out of the vault

    Apr 8, 2012
    The Institute (as well as Robert House in New Vegas) is quite a morality controversial. in Youtube there's one who said both are considered 'good' while others said both are 'evil'. Most seems to agree that Legions are indeed evil and should they win, they may not last one or two generations like Master's UNITY.
     
  13. Pariah Dog

    Pariah Dog Smugdog

    Jun 28, 2018
    I really struggle to see enough of a consistent "idea" in the Institute to accurately determine what shade of gray it is. Caesar's Legion (in NV) is fairly straightforward in idea and purpose, by contrast. Personally I don't see House as a particularly controversial choice - he's not good at dealing with the "little people" but he's got a fantastic big picture and the brains to do it. He only really displays any degree of genuine malevolence towards the BoS, and he has a pretty good reason for that.

    As for YouTube commentators, I have learned not to put much stock in what they say. Particularly if their names are Razorfist or Oxhorn.
     
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  14. Lone Cat

    Lone Cat First time out of the vault

    Apr 8, 2012
    1. Why aren't Razorfist nor Oxhorn commentators worth any credibility? (he said The Institute is Evil)



    2. IMAO The Brotherhood of Steel dogma did affect their own morality over time. when there were no real postwar nations states created. (Fallout1) they are GOOD. (at least they're the only faction that can duke out against Master and still win). With the NCR became recognized nation state (and after the alliance against the Enclave), BoS became more in tone with evil.... limiting technological access unto themselves (medieval knights and Roman Catholic Church did pose tech restrictions to commoners and even amongs themselves, i.e. crossbows may not be used in any knightly conflicts, permitted only in Crusades.. the BoS forbade access to energy weapons and robots to any wastelanders under their protection) and not permit anyone else of doing so. And thus that's why they ran afoul with everyone else... namely
    2.1 Enclave
    2.2 NCR (Particularly after they got rid of the Followers of the Apocalypse)
    2.3 Robert House (The Brotherhood doesn't really happy to see him having securitrons, not mentioning that this person outlived FOUR maxsons)
    2.4 (possibly) Big MT
    2.5 The Institute
     
  15. Pariah Dog

    Pariah Dog Smugdog

    Jun 28, 2018
    Razorfist preferred Fallout 3 to New Vegas. That alone puts him on my "disregard, this commentator sucks cocks" list. Oxhorn is a blowhard who thinks if he talks long enough it's a substitute for being genuinely interesting and entertaining, and he gives House almost no credit while giving the NCR in NV too much IMO. As for the Institute being evil, they're too incoherent a concept to be effectively nailed down to good or evil, they just do crazy shit and it isn't really well explained why they do some of the shit they do.

    Like I said, though, I don't really put much stock in YouTube intellectuals IN GENERAL. Some I put significantly less stock in than others.
     
  16. Lone Cat

    Lone Cat First time out of the vault

    Apr 8, 2012
    Exactly the Institute is more or less like Big Empty in New Vegas. they're scientists who operates outside morality restrains. (since the laws and other institutions (Nation State) that support such morality restrains were no longer exists) they could be either good or evil (And in the end if player sided with them, player's karma will decide their morality... especially in NV Old World Blues (which later revealed that regardless of what will happen to Hoover Dam and New Vegas, Courier will spend the rest of his / her life ruling the Big Empty and his/her karma values will decide what will BMT do. continue evenmore terrifying experiments upon wastelanders or do the same thing Robert House 'promised player to do should he win the while game'.
     
  17. Alphons

    Alphons National Beholder

    Aug 9, 2017
    But OWB says loudly at the beginning "These guys are insane, they don't have any other goal than to just experiment".

    Institute on the other hand is set up as those backstage masterminds that have some masterplan for human development, they're entitled enough to say they're redefining mankind, but spend most of their time switching random beggars with synths, making supermuntants and synth gorillas.
    The only thing in Institute that I found sensible was cybernetics project (scrapped and Kellogg, last man with cybernetics set up to die for petty revenge by Father) and super-gourd that is rad free (one guy's pet project that he develops on breaks from making synth animals).
     
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