Need NMA opinion on some Legion´s armor. Come and help me.

Discussion in 'Fallout 3 and New Vegas Modding' started by Cobra Commander, Mar 5, 2018.

  1. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Mildly Dipped

    Dec 6, 2016
    Hello. I'm making a mod for the Legion, which is based on the concept of the Centurion's armor, which is to use parts of other armor to build his own.

    I already have a lot of them ready, but I am in doubt as to some other, which I will expose here.

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    1) Caesar. Is the golden color in this outfit too extravagant?

    2) Decanus unique armor and regular Decanus. The regular I love it, but the unique, What do you think about the golden parts? Black would be a better option? Because I find these colors very strange, as if they were not part of this universe. Edit: i´m a amateur in photoshop.

    3) Houndmaster. Too much tribal?

    4) Legion salvaged PA. Lacking the legs, the shoulder pads, the fan on the back and the helmet is patched with a Legate helmet. Still, it looks very advanced? There's only one in the mod, it's not a thing to be around every corner, so it's okay to be an APA.

    5) Praetorian. The most problematic of all, I can not hit this one. I've made several versions, this is the one I least hated. What did you think? Looks very gay.

    6) The bull in the vest, too much?

    7) This helmet. Can you see someone from the Legion wearing something like that?

    8) Regular veteran. This "hair" in the helmet, does it seem too off the subject?

    9) Legion gehenna. Too stupid? (and yes, I'm aware that gehenna is a stupid weapon, but I like lol)

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    And that´s it.

    I could benefit from a vision other than mine and unfortunately on the Nexus the people there is only interested in discussing images that are of women with barbie faces and little clothes.

    Thank you.
     
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  2. Ediros

    Ediros A Smooth-Skin

    Feb 4, 2016
    Hmm... Looks quite good, more sensible than the other legion mod, which went way over the top.

    At the same time, I can't say I like power armour parts. Still to answer your questions:

    1.http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Caesar's_armor

    I think I like vanilla model more, this one feels a bit over the top.

    2.Gold Colour attracts attention and doesn't fit in line with the legion. It seems out of place.

    3. I like the fur but the head is weird. I mean scorched power armour has got something similar, but it doesn't look alive.

    4.Good idea, but I object to the power armour used. If it was t-45d or at most t-51b, it would be okay.

    5.Looks gay, definitely. I would make it look more similar to the hound master. And visible belly is just...

    6. Looks fine to me. It could stay, legion does have some basic tools.

    7. No, sorry, looks more like pilot's helmet.

    8.I like it, reminds me off twisted hairs, the tribe that caesar conquered.

    9. Guns and power fists are fine, but a custom model seems unnecessary. I think vanilla would do just fine.

    Still wait for some more feedback
     
  3. TerminallyChill

    TerminallyChill Be excellent to each other.

    Feb 16, 2018
    Question, are these meant to replace the existing models, or just add more variety? I like the vanilla designs and personally wouldn't change them, but as you alluded to, one of the biggest missed opportunities with the Legion in my opinion was not reusing existing game assets to create a higher number of unique outfits. I mean if these bastards conquered hundreds of other factions, they should look a little more cobbled together and organic, albeit with some unifying features for identification. It makes sense that the NCR would have a defined style and only a few uniforms, I assume they are all identically mass produced somewhere, but the Legion gets their armor the opposite way. They just grab the good shit off people they wipe out and decorate it with bulls and X's. It sucks that Obsidian didn't explore this more, but as I understand it they weren't given time to do a lot of things. Cough cough other side of the Colorado.

    Keeping this in mind, here are my thoughts on your designs:

    1. Absolutely love the crown, outfit design does look more appropriately elegant for Caesar than the original but I'm not totally sold on the color scheme.

    2. Both would look great as additional variations but I don't know about replacements. Also I'm not sure if it's the lighting, but the first guy looks like he has Iron Man's glowing chest so that might need to be fixed. The second reminds me of Baron Von Underbheit from Venture Brothers but works nonetheless.

    3. Cool idea with the dog head shoulder but the teeth on his helmet look weird as hell. Also not a fan of the way the fur texture hangs over the front onto his chest, seems kind of unfinished. Maybe he just needs another layer there. Legs look good.

    4. Completely disagree with Ediros on this one, why the fuck wouldn't the Legion use good protection if they found it? The smashed out eyes clearly shows a distinction between this and functional power armor. It also implies the Legion is powerful enough to have killed somebody using advanced technology, assuming they didn't just find that shit lying in a ditch somewhere. Also drives home the point that the Enclave is history. While this is by far my favorite one, I do think there might be a bit too many power armor pieces on one guy. Maybe split the shoulders and the helmet up among two designs. This is definitely the kind of stuff I wish Obsidian had explored more though.

    5. Shit if that's gay, then half of the original outfits are too. At a glance, it reminded me of one of the raider outfits from Fallout 3 with the shit sticking off of him all over the place. Not bad because I liked those designs. If you are unhappy with it I would suggest adding more elements from recognizable outfits like maybe combat armor or pieces of NCR ranger gear.

    6. If you tried hard enough to convince me this was somewhere in the game already, I might believe you. The helmet looks great but I can't help but feel the outfit is a little too vanilla if this is meant to add variety.

    7. UGH THE RED VISOR IT BURNS. Otherwise passable. Try like black or something.

    8. I love the repurposed security outfit with the words painted over, on the fence about the hair but it's not horrible. I'm seeing too many of these skirts though, everybody looks too matchy.

    9. Looks good design wise to me but almost a little too high tech for the people who use fucking spears and healing powder on principle. Maybe on a high ranking official to demonstrate hypocrisy or to acknowlede that primitive weapons are truthfully idiotic to use when your enemies have laser guns. If one is already possessed by the Legion in the game then forget everything I just said.

    Overall I really like the idea which is why I took the time to write this, but if you want to bring this mod to the next level, you need to double down on the scrambled, repurposed pieces of recognizable armor. It shows that the Legion is not to be fucked with in the most visible way possible. Best examples are the Enclave helmet with the gouged out eyes, and the security armor with "security" crossed out.
     
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  4. Ediros

    Ediros A Smooth-Skin

    Feb 4, 2016
    The Enclave is ridiculously rare and the legion getting their hands on it is not believable to me in the slightest. Not even the ncr or brotherhood have one.

    In entire Mojave there are exactly 2 full sets you can obtain + one if you finish endgame quest + the pieces are guarded like crazy (legendary cazador + death claw promontory ).

    So no, I do not see them getting full set of enclave power armour, especially since centurions in vanilla Wear pieces of t-45d.

    @TerminallyChill
     
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  5. TerminallyChill

    TerminallyChill Be excellent to each other.

    Feb 16, 2018
    Which is why it would be cool for like one high ranking member of the Legion to wear a piece of it. I'm not suggesting there be 20 million soldiers running around with full suits of deactivated Enclave power armor, but after the events of Fallout 2 it would make sense that a stray suit or two made its way East and eventually fell under control of Caesar.
     
  6. Ediros

    Ediros A Smooth-Skin

    Feb 4, 2016
    Made their way east, you mean like shitout 3, great Idea! Let's have Legion wear it all!

    Lanius would be the most likely to wear it, which he doesn't. To top it off, even when you nuke dry Wells, the most legion has got is similar to Lanius' armour.

    Also, the legion rejects tech. Even when they found t-45d power armour, the never reporpused it (legion centurion armour). Or the house's bunker on the hill.

    Power armour even salvaged hasn't been used by a legion, so I am not buying that.
     
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  7. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    1) Looks too extravagant. Plus the sandals are rather impractical especially in a setting where guns, lasers and plasma are a constant threat.

    2) The second one looks nicer than the first though I'd prefer the first's color over the second. Both helms are odd though and not fitting for Roman influenced helms.

    3) Nice idea though the dog head as part of the pelt seems impractical.

    4) Too bulky and if the Legion does not use advanced tech as much, then the PA will become useless without regular maintenance even if the PA is jury-rigged.

    5) The first one has the overly large shoulders from the Enclave PA and looks off. The other one does not look great either.

    6) The bull on the chest is not bad an idea (though what would make it better if the bull looks painted on) though the armor looks like something that can be cobbled out from the base game.

    7) I concur with Ediros. The helmet looks weird on a Legion soldier.

    8) The riot armor helmet looks odd and why the long hair? The latter is impractical (unless they are braids and the wearer is a former Twisted Hair that has not given up their traditions, unlikely that it may be)

    9) Weapons like that are probably allowed by the Legion to use. It is not too high tech and is not a firearm. Vanilla model looks fine though (more cobbled together after all).


    On the point of PA by the Legion, no one there would have the technical know-how to maintain PA let alone jury rig one like the NCR. So any found PA would more likely be scrapped by the Legion.
     
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  8. TerminallyChill

    TerminallyChill Be excellent to each other.

    Feb 16, 2018
    I meant east as in east of California... like Arizona. You make a good point about Lanius though. As much as it would be cool to see him sporting a dead Enclave face, I prefer the unique helmet as it is. Nobody else really deserves an Enclave helmet. But what are you talking about with the rejection of tech? They use pieces of power armor already in the vanilla game. What's the difference between a shoulder here, a leg there, or even the odd gutted helmet? It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to stick a metal bucket on someone's head. Scaring enemies by wearing their armor clearly overrides their customs surrounding technology.

    I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on this one, though. The decision is up to you, Cobra Commander.
     
  9. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Mildly Dipped

    Dec 6, 2016
    This. It is just piece of metals, nothing less, nothing more. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    It is not even complete. I agree that it would not make sense in Fallout 4, where the guy enters inside the PA but this is NV.

    Thanks for the opinions. I'll answer in detail in a moment, and I have one more armor that I forgot to show.
     
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  10. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Mildly Dipped

    Dec 6, 2016
    Another thing. It´s ok that you did not like my clothes for Caesar, but how can you say vanilla is better? :lol: The vanilla is not better than NOTHING. He dressed in General Oliver´s outfit would be better.

    The vanilla uses as footwear, a pair of socks. SOCKS ffs. I can´t even......socks, socks. Not only a regular socks, but striped socks.


    What about those pants? The ruler of the second-largest nation in the United States can not get decent pants that are not torn apart?

    But the problem is these socks. These´s FUCKING socks.
     
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  11. Boggins

    Boggins First time out of the vault

    Mar 1, 2018
    1. I really like the laurel wreath, but the rest seems too elegant, as others have said. Where exactly would Caesar find something like that out in the wasteland, anyways? Oh, and the sandals look bulky.

    2. The skirts should be different (something like #4 or #5), though everything else looks good.

    3. Personally, I'd think something like a "houndmaster" should be a lot less armored. You know, so he can get more in touch with his animal side(?). The Forsworn armor from Skyrim is along the lines of what I'm thinking of. As for the actual armor design, I don't have much to say. Just that the wolf head hanging off to the side doesn't look right.

    4. @TerminallyChill said basically everything I wanted to say. Also, I really like the helmet.

    5. It looks way too... raider-ish. I dunno'.

    6. Too vanilla. It doesn't really fit in with the rest.

    7. bruh, i'm gonna' be honest with you... that helmet looks dumb

    8. Literally everything about this (except the hair) is great.

    9. I don't really have an opinion on this... so yeah
     
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  12. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Mildly Dipped

    Dec 6, 2016
    two versions. One only have the armors in a footlock the others replace the entire faction.

    Well, not download the mod already do that =p

    Yep. NCR armors are already perfect.

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    1) Caesar

    Alright. From the color I do not give up, there are only 3 possible colors for a Caesar, red, gold and white. I'm going to see it become less flashy, try to darken a little, look more beaten by time.

    2) Decanus

    It will be black then. I chose this color to differentiate from the common version, but it did not look good.

    There are no Decanus armor, they, being Officials, oddly dress like shittys recruits. Don´t worry about the chest, I´ll change that.

    3) Houndmaster

    Yeah, the helmet sux. Dog head I like it. Nobody see the power armor arm? It has nothing to do with a dog trainer. I take it off.

    4) It will stay the way it is.

    It´s for Lucius. Legate´s armor are already perfect, I just made some minor changes to look more scary.



    (yeah yeah yeah, red eyes is rule of cool, I know, I like it)

    5) Prateorian

    The idea was to do even more shirtless, to match a fighter with bare hands. But the result definitely did not please me (like I said, GAY), apart from the shoulders and legs. I'll think of something else.

    6) prime

    OK thank you. And I would LOVE if the bull look like it was painted, but I do not have the necessary skill.

    7)

    The helmet will not go into the final version.

    8) Veteran

    Okay, you convinced me.

    P.S:

    That is the intention. Create uniformity and consistency. What's more, the Legion's battlefront (Recruit - Prime - veteran - Decanus - Centurion), just like ancient Rome, must proudly show their powerful legs.

    9)



    Only have one copy, only a courier with acess to Legion´s safehouse can have it.

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    Thanks guys.

    Ok, this is the other armor I forgot to show. Unique Explorer and regular explorer.



    An explorer MUST have pants because he works lying down. But what about the skirt? It is a valid decorative element or totally unnecessary?

    edit: in the back, we have that AWESOME legion´s bull, lthat courier duster have.
     
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  13. TerminallyChill

    TerminallyChill Be excellent to each other.

    Feb 16, 2018
    That Legate is so fucking badass, you should totally make a standalone mod just for him or at least the glowing eyes for purists like me.
     
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  14. Boggins

    Boggins First time out of the vault

    Mar 1, 2018
    I'll tell you how I feel about the Legate's armor in a single picture:


    The new explorer armor, on the other hand...
     
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  15. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Mildly Dipped

    Dec 6, 2016
    hahauhauahua XD
     
  16. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Mildly Dipped

    Dec 6, 2016
    another thing. This mod has a special perk where the guy will be able to learn all the techniques of unarmed combat.

    The image is the same as the Legion Assault



    As you may have noticed, English is not my native language. Does anyone want to name and write a text for this perk? Something as "Praetorian Master" or something like that.

    And here's a bonus. This helmet was an idea for a Legionary specializing in laser weapons (theoretically they use it, just watch the opening video of the game where one of them appears with a laser pistol and the agreement with the Van Graffs), but I thought it would be very lore breaking. I cut this idea off.

     
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  17. TerminallyChill

    TerminallyChill Be excellent to each other.

    Feb 16, 2018
    If I'm being completely honest here Cobra, I feel like the unique explorer and Lanius are in a whole other league of polish and professionalism compared to the other stuff posted in this thread. Like significantly. Objectively. As in, I would actually consider putting those into my game, and I'm picky as all hell. Both would do as well, if not better as standalone mods in my opinion and I really hope you consider realeasing them as such.

    Also, your English is probably better than half the native speaking population of the United States so no apology is necessary.

    Praetorian Master sounds like a good name for the perk to me. Description could be something like "The loyal guards of Caesar have shared the unarmed combat techniques of the wasteland with you."

    I would also recommend making that a separate mod in addition to the "ultimate" package with everything. You should throw that laser helmet and red visor helmet in too as optional files.
     
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  18. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Mildly Dipped

    Dec 6, 2016
    It's all a matter of taste, actually. I could see that you like the cool stuffs, and this explorer one looks like a ninja. What is cooler than a ninja?

    It's one of the ones I least like, just because it looks like a ninja XD

    My favorite is the "Legion Courier Armor" or something like that, which I will show here (although it is not the objective of the topic, but since I had already posted it on the Nexus, here it is)

    https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/images/109311




    my alternative to the Riot Gear Armor and Desert Ranger. Why only NCR players can have the nicest things?

    Anyway, keep in mind that this armors is for VANILLA bodys. If you uses some of those mods that turns your character into a Wasteland hottie, such as Type 3 and Robert body, you will have clipping problems.

    I do not care about these mods, I do not use them and I have no interest in making an adaptation for them. Sorry :(
     
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  19. Boggins

    Boggins First time out of the vault

    Mar 1, 2018
    How 'bout "Caesar's Fist?"

    The description could be: "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to his fist the things that are fisted." Short and comedic.

    Or, since the bull is the symbol for the Legion, "Fury of the Bull" : "Your ferocity matches that of a bull. Those who oppose you will be trampled by your new-found strength," or some other puns involving bulls.
     
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  20. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Mildly Dipped

    Dec 6, 2016
    :D

    I loved both, especially the first.
     
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