Nuka Rant

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by SarcasticGoodGuy, Aug 31, 2016.

  1. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Oh, it gets better. His name is a portmanteau of the John Pemberton (inventor of Coke) and Caleb Bradham (inventor of Pepsi).

    John-Caleb Bradberton
     
  2. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    You know, I used to think Mr House was a carbon copy, but he's got style and dialogue to make him unique and interesting. This guy not so much.
     
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  3. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    It also helped that House had an interesting background, interesting motives and didn't just appear suddenly without a decent explanation as to why he's there.
     
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  4. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    That's true, it's depressing what he did and what happened to his brother. Yes, his brother was an asshole who stole House's inheritance but it's still sad finding the last words of the other House. Not gonna spoil it but I was moved. And also it acted as a great explanation for what Mr House hinted at his brother being a dick.
     
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  5. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Well, as far as we know, JCB wasn't a children's television or movie producer but a producer of softdrinks. I also like the story we get from him when we actually explore his theme park. Basically, that he wasn't at all actually interested in any of the amusements or rides or entertainments he created but a cynical money grubbing businessman and huckster who cheated the government grossly just like he did the public. Basically, the worst of Disney and Coke without the more endearing qualities.

    I do think the character is less interesting than the actual Pemberton, though. Imagine JCB being a Wild West Snake Oil salesman who made Nuka Cola as cocaine-fueled cough syrup, essentially, only to eventually realize he could do more business selling it as a recreational beverage.

    Ironically, the real life figure is more Bethesda than the fake one.
     
  6. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Agreed, money grubbing businessman is... a poor stereotype to say the least.
     
  7. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Albeit, theme park owner who ignores safety standards and corrupt soft drink executive is perfectly true to life. Both would do well in Pre-War Earth.
     
  8. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Still prefer House, you know the cold pre-war genius who used sexbots to fulfill his desires and wants to recreate Humanity according to his visions.
     
  9. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Oh, I love House.

    I haven't done a House run because, really, why would you not rule in your own name, but he's one of the most respectable men in the Wastelands.

    I also think, urban legend aside, Branderton would have been better as a historical figure from the Wild West. It would have been better to have Nuka World run by the AI or something similar.
     
  10. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    AI? Unless the AI has an interesting personality (ughh... I shudder to think what Bethesda would do with it) AI's are really hard to do well.
     
  11. Antiwarprofallout

    Antiwarprofallout It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jun 13, 2016
    Hopefully Bethesda's next game tanks worse, Zenimax rips it to shreds and Obsidian buys the fallout license.
     
  12. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Oh, obviously, the AI would have the personality of an insane Mickey Mouse/Cappy.

    :)
     
  13. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    All I know is I've literally dreamed about post-apocalypse Disneyland so I don't know if they can ever top Nuka World.
     
  14. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    :puke:
    Way too obnoxious and annoying.
     
  15. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    I created another thread to discuss the issue but it is interesting that Far Harbor and Nuka World are the only two places you can make peace with the factions.

    Except, the price of peace is very high in both cases.
     
  16. SarcasticGoodGuy

    SarcasticGoodGuy *R O T T E N*

    Aug 31, 2016
    Far Harbour yes. Nuka World no.

    Operators love money, give them just the bottling plant. They won't care so long as they're rolling caps.
    Openly challenge the Pack leader, beat him then spare him. gain the total respect and control of the Pack.

    Nope- kill one of them by giving them less flags.
    :clap::clap::clap:
     
  17. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    I dunno, I got a whole essay out of it.

    http://www.nma-fallout.com/threads/...eace-with-scum-or-righteous-slaughter.207239/

    And yeah, it does boil down to, "Okay, these assholes want to do chems and eat so give them plenty of both so they'll not need me to slaughter them."
     
  18. SarcasticGoodGuy

    SarcasticGoodGuy *R O T T E N*

    Aug 31, 2016
  19. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Sorry you didn't have fun there.

    Yeah, the bugs in Nuka World are unforgivable. I remember there being a gigantic neck tall collection of grass in Bradburton's office with the Modded version and the elevator not working.

    I actually liked the build-up to Nuka World because if you take it slowly, there's a lot of good small character bits. The Gunners are investigating the fact they've had a lot of their men massacred and, at least in the Bethesdaverse, the Gunners are supposed to be pretty badass. You can find this out by checking the notes on one of the corpses.

    Then you meet with Harvey and if you behave like a decent human being, he drops the act and admits that this is a trap to bring people like the Gunners in so they can be massacred in the maze. Harvey lucked out in getting you (or doesn't as you can kill him) as the Gunners probably wouldn't have been lured in by his sob story.

    The Gauntlet, itself, is a fun little death maze and I think an enjoyable homage to Thunderdome and other traps. For example, Colter is very clearly CHEATING THE FUCK OUT OF EVERYTHING to try and kill you before you get there. There's the fact he hides the key of the radiation room, the seventeen turrets, and other moments which you have to think around.

    Amusingly, of all things, this reminds me of Dead Money as you have to do more than follow the same strategy of "shoot and loot" in order to get out of this section. As for defeating Colter with a Squirt Gun, in the metaphorical sense it's to prepare you for the fact this will be a silly and fun adventure versus a serious one. It's also highlighting why you wouldn't actually want to make a Bumper Car Magnetic shield in Real-Life. After all, you don't want to know why a bunch of Raiders would be better than the Enclave.

    It's three basic groups of Raiders with showing the various types of them. You have the Operators who are just criminals like the Triggermen and motivated by caps rather than sadism or a desire to hurt others.
    You have the Disciples, who are the cannibal psycho raiders like the ones from the Capital Wasteland.
    Then you have the Pack who are Tribals and have a code of ethics like the West Coasters but it's an alien inscrutable code of ethics.

    The holotapes and terminals about them also show how their operations work and how they feel about each other.

    Oswald has the ability to restore destroyed ghouls to full functionality through massive doses of radiation as a Glowing One. Even so, Oswald actually isn't releasing his friends on you, so much as they're attacking you because that's what Feral Ghouls do. He can't control them and can barely direct them. Oswald's primary defense for Kiddie Land is the constant spew of Radiation which is a wonderful defense against the non-power armor-wearing Raiders. I also love what happens if you turn off the Radiation Spewers.

    He turns them back on when you leave the room.

    :)

    I actually had a lot of fun with the Galaxy Zone because it had so many homages to Disneyworld and Bethesda poking fun at itself. The reproduction of Space Mountain is uncanny and the fact you can experience it the original way (with the power on) or in the much easier power-off method makes me wish the enemies respawned.

    I'm particularly glad for Vault Tech: Beyond the Stars because it recanonizes the original Van Buren ideas that the plan of the Enclave is to go visit space rather than to stay on Earth. It also shows we might be able to eventually visit one of their space stations or a moon base or a facility to visit orbit.

    But the RobCo Death Arena was also hilarious as Bethesda took the piss out of itself with the terminals which read, "Okay, the audiences are pissed that all of our new and exciting robots are just reskins of the old Protectron, Sentry Bot, Eyebot, and Assaultron models. What are we going to do?"

    Yeah...Tarzan joke aside, I think it would have been awesome to have him raised by an animatronic set of gorillas. Someone like Codsworth, which would underscore the sentience debate in the main games. Aside from the ghourillas, I liked Cito, though and think he would have made a decent companion beyond just this short bit of gameplay.

    Also, Gatorclaws vs. Cito's "brother" is pretty much an explicit Donkey Kong Country homage.

    Do you have a soul if you don't love talking like Westerners and corralling Giddyup Buttercups?

    I love the River made of Quantum. There's not much to say about the Bottling Plant but I used to love taking that exact same ride through Walt Disney World (which it's an homage to) where you explored Walt Disney's past life and his experiments.

    Someone really fucking loved Disney World with this level of fidelity.

    Obviously, it was a movie studio with a river and animatronics rather than a bottling plant.

    In this case, the actual moral dilemma is whether or not you want to massacre these three gangs or whether or help them establish themselves in the Commonwealth. You can entirely avoid violence if you have enough Charisma and caps. It prevents another massacre and gets you to keep the peace, except for the fact Raider greed means that someone is going to be unhappy. I do think "Power Play" should have happened before the Settlements, though, as there's 5 parks so there's no reason why the rebellion couldn't have happened there.

    They don't. You have to kill every single Raider in the park as they all go hostile.

    Also, it gets worse, you don't get an Achievement for completing Open Season.

    The biggest flaw there is that there's a fucking loading screen between you and the interior. What the hell?

    The Minutemen actually just have the "support" of these settlements and as Libertalia talks about it, the fact is this support is tepid and weak at the best of times. Raiding these settlements will do a decent enough job of getting support for the Minutemen if you're a complete asshole, though.

    As for the new building objects, I have two gigantic Coke bottles next to my Red Rocket station and my own Nuka Cola museum.

    So I give kudos to that.
     
  20. SarcasticGoodGuy

    SarcasticGoodGuy *R O T T E N*

    Aug 31, 2016
    @CT Phipps.

    You admit the game is bugged to hell, which equates to a nearly broken product. Much like Nuka World your defense isn't off to a good start ;)
    You say there's good story in notes, yet the point we've established many times on NMA is that you can't rely on environmental storytelling- you need dialogue also. Rigging the Gauntlet may seem like commentary on the state of consumerism in theme parks or whatever- but because Bethesda can't write for shit it comes off as if it's trying to take itself seriously. If Obsidian did a silly theme park DLC I'm pretty sure they could've salvaged most of my negative points.
    Again with the terminal entries/notes! These gangs have no depth aside from these bloody terminals. You're just further reinforcing my point that Bethesda rely on environmental storytelling!
    I don't want to debate Oswald, because he actually has dialogue we've both got a lot of material to work with and debate, so I'll leave that one for now.
    Sure gatorclaws and ghoulrillas may be a homage to DK, but maybe instead of reusing assets and making ghouls susceptible to ghoulification they could've done something new- even if it was animatronic gorillas; they could've twisted it by saying none of the NW animals were real- and that they're all robotic because it's cheaper. it would've been better than the Vault Tec mind gas.
    Speaking of Vault-Tec, why do NW allow VT to do these sinister experiments in the park? Don't use ignorance as an excuse, because if riots occurred frequently in the same ride I'm sure eyebrows would be raised.
    I like the World of Refreshment as a ride, I just don't like how basic the mission was- they at least tried with Kiddie Kingdom.
    You say you can use charisma to bypass violence- but at least one gang have to be dealt with. That's not avoiding violence- that's still a large group being slaughtered!
    Then you go on to talk about Libertalia. If it was an actual settlement occupied by raiders yo could talk to, and maybe if instead of more environmental storytelling you could actually talk to the Minutemen-turned-raider it would've been a really good location.

    I agree the new settlement objects look nice, even if I'm not the biggest fan of the feature.
    Again I agree with you on a lot of points on concept- on paper the DLC sounds good. But when you break it down it becomes less impressive. If you enjoyed it, good for you, at least you got your money's worth ;)
     
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