Obsidian's Project Eternity

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by Brother None, Sep 10, 2012.

  1. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Right now trying to kill the lord of Gilded Vale, I don't know if I like that you can't drink potions out of combat, makes me feel like I can barely prepare before going into such a buttfuckingly hard battle.
     
  2. aenemic

    aenemic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 4, 2008
    That fight was ridiculously easy for me. Guess I outleveled it. Think I was level 4 when I did it.

    I like that you can't prebuff a lot. It was one of the things I disliked the most about the old IE games. Too many fights were a trial-and-error, die once then prebuff and go at it again. PoE forces you to adapt on the spot.
     
  3. FearMonkey

    FearMonkey Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Oct 12, 2011
  4. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    Just finished the game, Steam tells me it took me slightly over 40 hours.

    Warning: Rambling ahead:

    I'm not a huge fan of conventional high fantasy, but I mostly enjoyed playing through it. I however do not expect to play through it more than two or three times over the next years. I'm not a fan of the used ruleset, with real time with pause combat, stuff like heavy armor giving you weird recovery debuffs but not affecting stealth, endurance vs health etc.

    While it's a large world, I often felt disconnected from it. Feeling that while it flaunted choice & consequence in front of me, it mostly mattered little. You could easily see which direction the game is pushing you in and how they'd handle alternatives without actually have to branch out from their initial intent.

    The quests can be resolved in multiple ways, but more often than not, logical, rational choices appear to be missing. Example: In one quest someone asks you to basically murder an infant. His son then asks you to poison his father instead. These are the only two choices given, outside of just slaughtering everyone in the room. The obviously omitted logical choice would be to inform the other tribe elders, let them sort it out?

    Quest descriptions is often either too elaborate (babysitting) or too cryptic. Also don't dare make a logical jump to the answer of a quest, because you'll need to go talk to person X and person Y before you can talk to person Z who has the answer and is constantly named, but you REALLY shouldn't talk to Z because that'd be too logical. :)

    Reputation is nice to have included both on city and faction level, but many times the reputation hits appear to be badly thought out and some actions result in unexpectedly large reputation hits for all the wrong reasons while others go entirely unpunished.

    Having your own keep is not very fulfilling either, as it matters very little. You get to restore a bunch of stuff, but other than providing income & something for your unused party members to do, it didn't do much to me.
    While the underlying story of the Endless Paths is not a bad one, it's largely a bore to fight your way through it. You're supposed to progress through it bit by bit, as you level up, but it's unclear at which level you're suppose to do it. Meaning you'll end up getting fucked in the ass multiple times without knowing if it's simply a leveling issue or the fact that you're totally missing something. It's not very fulfilling to fight through (though the end boss is more than a challenge if you decide to face it), though I guess it's just an elaborate dungeoncrawl with little more to it.

    Plenty of annoying bugs obviously, as you've no doubt heard. Hirelings not getting paid properly half the time, item bonuses not getting applied unless you unequip them & re-equip them constantly between map changes or reloads,... Pathing issues in combat requiring you to babysit all party members at all times.

    On the Troika scale, I'd put it far below Arcanum, but a rung above Temple Of Elemental Evil.
     
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  5. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    This. Except that I'm going disagree with them much more aggressively than you.
    All those complainers are nothing else than a stupid, spoiled, self-centered and ignorant brats. Any small, underdeveloped and uncivilized society in human history was full of slavery, murders, homophobia and such. It's a part of human nature. Authors trying to create a believable small society situated in middle ages inspired world should be allowed to create it with all those flaws, otherwise it looks just stupid, so those complainers are nothing else than arrogant censors oppresing the creative freedom. For fucks sake, complaining about some small trans/homophobic remark in this setting is the same as complaining about slavery in Uncle Tom's Cabin novel. :evil:
     
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  6. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    They removed the "offensive" joke. Totally ridiculous, given that it's not in any way saying it's good or bad. This is a game with overt genocide, racism, sexism, manipulation and whatnot, but a single little stupid user submited joke has to be removed for fear of backlash? Pffft.





    edit: oops pasted wrong second image, correction below
     
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  7. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    They preffered to avoid the dramaas they know it's an uphill battle against a horde of gorillas. Would have preferred if they hadn't caved in, but that's the world of nerds we live in.
     
  8. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
  9. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Funny how similar to a medieval mob these so called progressives are.
     
  10. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    I don't get the complains about that removal.
    Obsviously this bad taste joke doesn't reflect the dev intents nor is actually smart.
    I don't see the point of keeping it and face logical consequences of something you didn't even intended to put in the first place.
    If i were them, i probably wouldn't even bothered to ask the guy to make a new poem to replace the one removed.

    (On a side note, that thing was given much more advertizing than it deserved)
     
  11. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    Bad taste in your opinion.

    In my opinion, removing the poem is in bad taste. Why does your opinion get to trump mine?

    This is not something I'm going to waste any time caring about, but on the other hand I support any revolution against the Tyranny of the Squeaky Wheel.
     
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  12. aenemic

    aenemic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 4, 2008
    And what gives you more right not to be offended than anyone else?
     
  13. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    If we throw a stink on twitter over how much it offended us they removed the joke, would the people complaining initially have to respect our "right" to not be offended and accept the joke being restored?
     
  14. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    I'm not the one who demanded something be changed and then got my way.
     
  15. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    I've realized that I'd love to play Star Wars: KOTOR 1/2 in this technical setting. I mean pre-rendered and finely crafted 2D background, camera with fixed angle and lucid perspective, and so on. PoE really looks beautiful!
     
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  16. Sub-Human

    Sub-Human -

    May 31, 2011
    It wasn't a 'bad taste' joke. It wasn't homophobic (did it insult homosexuals? transsexuals?) and considering the amount of over-sensitive 'politically correct' pussies the poem was well-placed. Too bad Obsidian panders to these idiots.
     
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  17. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    What's the next step? I suggest changing the label on promo artworks for any future game:
    „High fantasy RPG set in a fictional barbaric world full of mages, bards, thieves, and battle monks breaking bones, where all the NPCs are protected by International human rights laws guaranteed by the real world (tm).”
     
  18. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    It's ironic that they removed a joke that actually makes fun of the narrowminded macho man who bedded the wrong partner & couldn't live with himself.

    They removed an epitaph of a fictional in character guy that paid for the game to be developed. It was not out of place. It fits perfectly in the world, hell, the devs make fun of fucking animals and plants in the game. And even if it didn't fit, wouldn't be much of a problem since the players are already warned in game that the epitaphs are personal messages that break the fourth wall etc.

    Because a person got offended, a joke was censored. And lets face it, someone is ALWAYS offended.
    Censorship of this kind is dangerous. Either you can laugh at everything, or you can laugh at nothing. For who has the right to decide what is a good joke or one of bad taste? It's like discussing colors. Everyone has their own view & that won't change.

    We can no longer laugh about religion, sexuality, gender, and so on because political correctness & appeasement is judged to be more important than freedom of speech and amusement.

    I think the joke is rather poor, but I'll defend the backer's right to make it.
     
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  19. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    I guess it was seen as transsexualophobic, like "the results of your transsexual habit was so repulsive that i had to kill myself. Otherwise, there is sure nothing personnal agains't". It is a bit more subtle than that and could also be seen the way you have seen it too.

    Anyway, the point it, Obsidian wasn't trying to make any point with that epitaph. It was something they initially overlooked. There is no point to fight with all their strenght to defend something they didn't intended to put, and that wasn't trying to make any point. There was nothing that would have increased the product value, nothing insightfull about the transsexual issues, no controversy to take part. It was just an overlooked unecessary bad joke that had no significant influence on the final game. Unless you are purposly wanting to troll some target, i don't see the point in refusing to consider rewritting that part. (If Obsidian actually intended to adress the transsexual issue with a quest of their own, that provieded insightfull view on the subject, i would understand them trying to defend it)

    Also, it wasn't censorship, they asked the backer if he wanted to change it and he agreed with them.

    Beside that, the Backer has every right to make a blog full of bad jokes. It would be clear he would be the author of the bad jokes.
    Here, everything we read in Pillars Of Eternity is considered as par of the voice of Obsidian/Paradox, not that lone guy. (most people aren't even aware of this guy existence)
     
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  20. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    It's a joke. Maybe a bad joke, or even one with bad intentions (which it wasn't, since the writer is "on the same team").

    They didn't need to defend anything.

    The only thing they needed to say was "It's a joke, it's not ours, deal with it".

    But no, they folded to the pressure because they feared social media drama of attention whores.

    Exactly, so why remove it? It holds no bearing on the game at all.

    He publicly stated he didn't want to rewrite it, given the opportunity, but it was either rewriting or removal.
    That's called censorship. ;)

    You haven't even played the game, clearly. Since ingame it's stated that all epitaphs are not written by Obsidian.

    Stop removing harmless content because some people are needlessly offended. Stop giving in and stand by your goddamn principles.