STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI (HUGE SPOILERS EVERYWHERE)

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by CT Phipps, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    I didn't realize the main First Order ship was called the Supremacy. That's some really cringy pandering.
     
  2. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    Eh. The sequel trilogy doesn't kill or RUIN Star Wars for me, they are just "meh" with their own set of problems beyond such an abstract one as "franchise killing". Plus, I'm not sure if there'd has bee. All the shit to allegedly subvert, kill or ruin if Jar Jar and Co. hadn't made TFA to be such a tat and safely "familiar" trilogy starter. You couldn't go kill/ruin Luke if you hadn't brought him back as a plot point in the first place :rofl:

    I've called ship designs that aren't even flagships shit along those lines and most of the time not even in the space nazi games in my assorted space 4x.
     
  3. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    Leia: "Poe, you are not a Leader because you risked people's lives on a dangerous mission to actually achieve a victory."

    Also Leia: "My plan is to hole up in a Salt planet and then throw soldiers in rackety ships at the First Order's hi tech weapons until they get tired so I can live a bit more."
     
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  4. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    That's kind of ignoring what happens, really. One's a mostly unnecessary phyrric victory while the other is trying to get away from the fuckery the better possible. Did she even suggest herself to use the shitty speeder things?
     
  5. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    We havn't seen the Plinket yet.

    The Shittier the movie, the better their reviews.
     
  6. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    But it was the plan they banked losing their entire fleet on and seemingly had no other countermeasure and expected the First Order to just not notcie a cluster of ships leaving the big one in group at the same time going in the same direction.
    The movie paints her as a great leader Poe has to learn from, but her only plan shown on screen is terrible and actually gets everyone killed in a futile fashion, hell if it wasn't for Rey Magically knowing where they were they would've just ended up against a wall of rocks (which she can't move despite Mary Poppining through space before).
     
  7. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Just like you said, it's a shitty script and there is not much reason to think about it.

    What really surprises me how people actually defend that stuff. The mental gymnastics here ... it's almost fanatical. YOU DUN LIKE IT CUZ REY/STRONK FEMALE!

    Yeah ... that's it. It must be. Sexism, racism, what-ever-ism. What else could it be? Sure not quality. I even know some who totally defend Leias space flight. Gosh. The cringe of that scene alone.

    At this point to fuck up something as simple like Star Wars, needs I think a particular skill. I mean it's not deep writing and a standard heros-journey formula. You literaly can't fuck that up. Unless you want to ...
     
  8. Lanfear

    Lanfear Mildly Dipped

    Jan 26, 2016
    I wonder whether Mark Hamill actually got to read the script for Last Jedi before agreeing to act in these movies.

    I think it's best to try to ignore people who are this far gone to any political extreme, and simply hope that they and their opposing counterparts will keep one another fully engaged and save sane people the hassle of talking to any of them. Ham-handed politicking aside, there are apparently people who think this awful movie was well-written on its own merits. As the guy in the video you linked noted, some of the weirdest mental gymnastics performed by people in defense of this film is the stuff involving actually creating mental additions to the script to try to get it to make sense.
     
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  9. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Still a better (love) story than The Last Jedy:

     
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  10. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Mildly Dipped

    Oct 26, 2016


    It's a contract anyway. I'm pretty sure they had him signed on for the whole trilogy. Besides that, based on how he looks like he's having PTSD flashbacks when discussing TLJ he was disappointed with the direction Luke's character went.
     
  11. Lanfear

    Lanfear Mildly Dipped

    Jan 26, 2016
    I figured. Seems like kind of a rich scam from the actor's perspective, though, to be asked to go under contract without having any idea what the movie is going to be like.
     
  12. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    Sounds like literally all game VA since forever
     
  13. Lanfear

    Lanfear Mildly Dipped

    Jan 26, 2016
    That's true. I've seen a lot of complaints from VAs to that effect. I get it - it's an industry in which accepting a bad role can damage your prospects for future jobs, so you would expect to at least be given some kind of script, right?
     
  14. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    It's especially noticable in the german dubbing of New Vegas. You can tell that the voice actors just did their lines and had no idea what the were doing or never heard the original lines. So everyone, even the legionaires, pronounce "Caesar" like "Zeesar", because apparently they did all those lines before they had any lines about the pronounciation.
     
  15. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Mark Hamill would have to be an idiot not to sign for a new Jedi movie.
     
  16. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    I mean, with alll those zeroes on the check, do you really believe a c-list actor would stop to consider the artistic integrity of the project before accepting?
     
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  17. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Guy is living in America. A man has to pay health care somehow.
     
  18. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    No shame in taking the job. I have nothging against Mark Hamill or any of the cast, It's not their fault the movie was so bad.
     
  19. Lanfear

    Lanfear Mildly Dipped

    Jan 26, 2016
    Maybe not. But he sure does look miserable as hell whenever Last Jedi comes up, so I'd guess he's at least given it some thought in hindsight.
     
  20. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Mildly Dipped

    Oct 26, 2016
    He's fantasizing about a life that doesn't so closely resemble the post-mortem hell that is TLJ.