The Legion Returning?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Ragemage, Mar 3, 2016.

  1. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    So let's say that, hypothetically, Bethesda let Obsidian make a new Fallout game. Would you like to see the game set in Legion territory, such as Arizona, or maybe somewhere being encroached by the Legion like Nevada was, such as Utah?

    Considering Obsidian was planning to give a LOT more Legion content than what we got, (this would include fully functioning towns in Legion territory so we could see the civilian side of things from over there rather than only the militaristic side) and the Legion were going to have a bigger role overall. As it is, in the base game, they only have 10 missions at most. (though there is a cut content mod called Legion Quests Expanded that restores 4 more missions to the Legion, which I totally endorse)

    I love all the factions in NV, and honestly, I find Caesar's Legion to be the most interesting in how they worship Caesar, how Caesar doesn't want to take us back to pre-war America but rather pre-America Rome. I like how Caesar thinks he's perfect when in reality he's quite the hypocrite (such as with his auto-doc) and how even though he's seen as a god amongst his people and has cultivated a literal religion around himself, when you talk to him he just sounds like a normal guy. Honestly I was expecting Caesar to sound like Legate Lanius, not like Dr. Phil.

    But anyway, do you think this would be nice? To see the other side of the Legion? To see this so-called "good side" that people talk about, such as Dale Barton, Raul, and Cass? Or do you think it would simply feel like a rehashing of New Vegas?
     
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  2. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    I'd love to see it. The possibilities would be endless, and it would be far more interesting then the NCR and Mr House.
     
  3. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    I wasn't really talking about for a post-game New Vegas. I wouldn't really want to see New Vegas mentioned at all, I'd prefer the ending to be left ambiguous considering how much player choice can effect it. (there's probably over 200 endings, literally, thanks to all the different slides and choices you can make, unlike Fallout 3 which touted having 200 endings and had 2)

    No, if they were going to make a game about the Legion I'd prefer it to either be before New Vegas around the time Caesar conquered Arizona, or far after New Vegas (maybe 20 years or so?) when the Legion finally collapses in on itself and we're able to see the huge mess Caesar caused by making his whole regime about "Me me me!" It'd be the equivalent of, in DnD, that one book/adventure/thing where all the gods die. Complete chaos. It would certainly be interesting to see. It would be more about figuring out which tribe is best to lead these Legion-conquered tribes out of this perpetual hell, rather than having anything to do with NV.

    Otherwise, if you try to canonize events from the previous game, you have shit like the Church of Atom still being around in FO4 which means that our choice to nuke Megaton is completely noncanon. Same for blowing up the Citadel at the end of Broken Steel.
     
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  4. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Oh I see... should be while he's creating his empire. There would still be bandits and raiders, but also it would show Caesar's conquest and civilian life. This would be interesting as it could show the various conflicts between opposing tribes, possibly making the player able to help the Legion or independent tribes. The game could even have a small portion at the end, if the player helped Caesar, where the player and some Frumentarii find Hoover Dam and New Vegas.
     
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  5. Lanfear

    Lanfear Mildly Dipped

    Jan 26, 2016
    I wouldn't mind a... NV prequel, I guess? Set farther East? I'd be in two minds about a NV sequel that goes farther east though, as I'm kind of more interested in what happens to the West post-NV.
     
  6. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    I'd like a place that was maybe bordering Legion territory or something like that. Just like how I'd feel with a hypothetical NCR territory based game I think an area that is under total control of one faction would be pretty boring.
     
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  7. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Why not have my idea? Beginning at the beginning of Caesar's legion. His war against the tribals and other factions for domination.
     
  8. Ninja

    Ninja Who?

    Dec 15, 2015
    Because then you lose some player agency. There is no point because you know he will expand the Legion regardless of your actions.
     
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  9. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    No, no, no! You can stop Caesar, as a form of alternate history, helping the tribes unite or try fight him independently.
     
  10. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    Because prequels and roleplaying games don't really mix. I mean yea like you said
    You can do an alternate history kinda thing but it lacks any sort of punch when you know its not canon anyway. With New Vegas all the endings and your interpretations feel valid and your place in the story feels important. Can't do that when the future has already been written.
     
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  11. Ninja

    Ninja Who?

    Dec 15, 2015
    Alternate history? Really? Maybe as a mod or DLC, but a full game should not be dedicated to what is essentially fanon.
     
  12. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Fair enough, I mean sure it could work pretty well depending on the writing... also that's a pathetic excuse. Isn't the whole of Fallout alternate history and essentially fanon?

    That's because the ones who tried had little skill in creative writing.

    Hmm true... then the only thing with the Legion that can work is a sequel where the Legion wins. But that makes a canon ending.
     
  13. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    You could always set it after Caesar dies with how he dies never be explicitly said. You could assume it's from the Courier if you went that route or that he died from his tumour/something else. Then you could have a plot with the Legion that revolves around a Civil War due to Caesar's death.
     
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  14. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    That could work really well, and make tons of possibilities. Now if only I could get the idea to Obsidian...
     
  15. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    Wasn't Van Buren essentially going to take place where the Legion's empire is now set? I'd love to see more of the ideas for that game incorporated into a game set in Legion territory.
     
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  16. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    Actually it was going to take place in Utah and involve the New Canaanites along with the Legion, which we got a taste of in Honest Hearts. Thus why I suggested Utah as the location for their next game. It would've been interesting to see, given that I loved Honest Hearts and would love to see New Canaan in its glory or at the very least meet more New Canaanites. Everyone always talks about Joshua Graham but honestly I like Daniel just as much.
     
  17. Vanguardbr

    Vanguardbr First time out of the vault

    Jan 19, 2016
    It would be amazing to see the Legion again, they are a very nice faction and would be very interesting to see added complexity to their lore. A lot of potential there in my opinion.
     
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  18. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    Here's the Van Buren map. Covers a fairly decent amount of "Legion Territory". Obviously not all of it will be canon anymore, but it'd be neat if, like in Fallout New Vegas, they incorporated some ideas from it.

     
  19. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    If only Van Buren was finally made. It could have been a great game...
     
  20. mrchaos

    mrchaos Super Orc

    Nov 14, 2015
    The only way I can see the Legion returning is has divided factions figthing between themselfs after Caesar dies, each side saying they´re the ´´true`` legion and the others are traitors.
     
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