The most facepalm worth article ever. "Fallout 4 is a good rpg"

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  1. Mr muggyman 3000

    Mr muggyman 3000 Lover of coffe cups

    May 3, 2016
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  2. justsettheradio

    justsettheradio First time out of the vault

    Jan 22, 2016
    Stopped reading as soon as they said settlements have choices and consequences.
     
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  3. Ediros

    Ediros Vault Dweller

    Feb 4, 2016
    What in the actual fuck?

    I mean how can someone be so biase/blind, that or he is a troll, which I doubt. It seems he actually believes everything he wrote.

    Calling him an idiot would be an understatement.

    That is enough internet for today, I have lost too many brain cells.

    Choice and consquence, what a joke. And the worst part is that people as dumb as he will share his opinion and just ... urgh.

    It makes the guy that I wrote about in things we learned from fallout 4 seem smarter. So bad...
     
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  4. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    "Sugarbombed" - stopped reading there.
     
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  5. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    What a nasty cross-site trolling guys.. Anyway:
    This good man certainly haven't played Fallout 2. At least not with Sulik, who would leave party when Chosen One decide to start murdering poor children, or would straight attack him after joining Metzger's slaver guild.
     
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  6. Brivoo

    Brivoo Powered by Radiant AI

    Jan 20, 2016
    The good man hasn't played Fallout 3 by the looks of it.
     
  7. Zerginfestor

    Zerginfestor dear god, the scrapping

    Apr 18, 2015
    -looks down at the comments-
    -spasms from losing too many brain cells-
     
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  8. Mr muggyman 3000

    Mr muggyman 3000 Lover of coffe cups

    May 3, 2016
    I didn't dare look at the comments I lost enough brains cells from the article alone.
     
  9. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    I would love to deconstruct this. I feel kinda bad doing so because the author is clearly delusional, but y'know why not prove why this is wrong one piece at a time.

    I'm sorry, I forgot that skills are still there. Because skills in previous games were TOTALLY just about getting static combat bonuses, and occasional mini-games. It's not like having ranks in skills would unlock dialogue options, or new ways to solve quests. Fallout 4 DEFINETELY hasn't butchered them.

    4 official endings, 3 of which share exactly the same ending clip, and none of which have any long lasting impact.

    And Shady Sands from 1 has 5 different endings. The very idea of making new games in a series is that they are supposed to expand upon previous installments, and have more content. A game having the same amount of end-game effecting decisions overall, as the first installment had for a small area near the beginning is really quite pathetic.

    The Idea of the Future Consequences, is that the actions don't just have an impact in the here and now, they have actual long-lasting effects, and everything in the game-world will continue to exist after your adventures, and change and evolve. Everything existing purely for the sake of being portrayed in the game and shortly after the game isn't Fallout, the idea is that these towns will change, and that they wont just remain perfectly as they are so that you can go and fuck around in them.

    Translation: Even after you defeat the bad dudes, you will still suffer attacks from them, because petty vengeance that will achieve nothing is far more important than actually surviving after your home is destroyed, and we need excuses to keep Radiant Quests available.

    Is that supposed to be saying that "If you fight the Brotherhood/Railroad/Institute, you will no longer be able to access companions from that faction", because that is kind of a given. No actual shit there.

    And yeah, 3 companions are no longer accesible based on the ending you choose, boohoo, it's not like EVERY OTHER FUCKING COMPANION IN THE GAME is invincible.

    Oh and, Nicky Valentine says "I'm dissapointed that you chose the Institute, but I'm still cool with travellin' with ya", because apparently Bethesda doesn't want to be too punishing to players who want to buddy up with a guy who hates the faction you sided with.

    So what you're saying is that Diamond City and Covenant happen to be connected by one character, and that is supposed to be some new and revolutionary thing?

    Fallout 1 established that there were trade routes between Junktown and Shady Sands, and that pretty much every town is connected to each other through caravan companies

    Fallout 2 showed a very specific trade path connecting 5 different towns, as well as heavily implying that Exiles from Vault City consistently wind up in New Reno, Making it so detonating a Nuclear Power Plant will wipe out another nearby town, Made the Enclave have connections with Gecko, New Reno, ECT., Showed a Power Struggle between 3 different towns, ect.

    Fallout New Vegas connected each of the DLC locations back to the Mojave, and made it so that the DLCs were built around a plot point back there(Lonesome Road being built around the Courier who denied the job to deliver the Platinum Chip, Honest Hearts around The Burned Man legends from Legion, ect.)

    Towns being mildly connected to each other, means absolutely jack sh*t. 1,2 and New Vegas established this as the f*cking standard. The fact that it's even considered remarkable that one person from one place happens to be connected to the events of another place shows just how poor the game is at world building.

    A quest built around Synths, in a game that practically is built entirely around Synths relates to factions which are built entirely around Synths. No Actual Shit there.

    You know, I reckon the first two games got it all wrong. Consequences don't rely on long-term impacts, or the ability to permanently fuck up future quests if you make the wrong choice, no, Consequences is an issue of whether or not you can use a town as your own personal workshop.

    Potentially getting access to a workshop doesn't count as consequences. It counts as getting slightly different rewards.

    No, because your pretty much forced in to Settlements when building the teleporter. Don't say something is an option when it's not an option.

    So apparently Minecraft now has serious consequences for actions, because you can now choose between building impressive structures, and building practical bases.

    If you focus on creating one main settlement, you create one main settlement, if you focus on creating a Network of Settlements you create a Network of Settlements. That kinda goes without saying.

    Correction: It's literally just completing a series of radiant quests, until eventually the faction grows. Do you do any of the logistics?, Or organizing any of them?, Or the recruiting?, Nope, you complete quests and watch them grow.

    Watching Plot Points change as you complete certain objectives is the standard for pretty much every game. This sh*t isn't special.
    Yes, but they handled it very differently
    Job Title: Obviously you are talking about New Vegas here, so let me prove why this isn't a Potato Potato issue here.

    Taking a job as a Courier is pretty standard by the time of New Vegas. There are tons of other Couriers, it's implied to be the kind of job that anyone with a gun can pick up, and it literally shows nothing about your character other than you picked up a job at some point.

    Being a well-regarded military hero, does show a lot. If you are special enough to give a speech at the Veteran's Hall, clearly you did something special during your service. Not to mention that it means that you are well-regarded by the public, which some types of characters almost certainly wouldn't be.

    Having a Law Degree does show us a lot. Spending 2 years of your life studying a certain proffesion shows us a lot about your interests/ambitions. You're average person doesn't just figure one day "I'm gonna go get a law degree", and picks one up at the nearest Gas Station. It shows commitment, knowledge in a certain field, ect., this is nowhere near comparable to a Courier job.

    Family: Fallout 3 forced you to have a father. How special, it's not like every human alive has a father. Fallout 2 forced you to have a Grandfather/Mother/Grandmother/Unknown Father, same logic applies.

    And just because you have certain relatives doesn't actively define you. Your personality and character traits don't decide who you are born to. Having certain parents/grandparents isn't an active decision, and doesn't show anything about you. Marrying and having a kid however, is an active choice. You actively chose to get married to her, you actively chose to have a kid with her. There is some level of difference between having a parent forced upon you, and having a kid/spouse forced upon you.

    Why seperate doing one's own thing from continuing on with the story?

    In Fallout 1,2 and New Vegas you could go around basically just fucking around and come across the story nonetheless. The story was designed in such a way, that you could complete it without following linear lines. Fallout 4s story was designed in such a way that Doing Ones Own Thing and Progressing in the Story are separated. There are tons of Essential NPCs, and there is a fixed route you take to get in to Institute, so you have to follow the story EXACTLY how it was intended, with no alternative routes. The fact that you HAVE TO Postpone the Story to do one's own thing speaks wonders about the game.
    Translation: If you happen to prefer the style of RPG that Fallout was originally DESIGNED AROUND and the developers thought it would work as, more power to you, but that doesn't change that Fallout 4 completely strayed from the roots/formula of the series.
    So basically, what you are saying is that Fallout 4 is as close as you can get to a game of D&D without a gamemaster.

    I'm sorry, but that implies that Fallout 4 is just as close to a Tabletop RPG as Fallout 1/2, games that grant you the ability to know what you're character will say/do, games that let you make tons of decisions and don't force you down a certain path, and games that have huge amounts of character building/stats. If the author thinks 1/2 are even comparable to 4, he is clearly delusional.
     
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  10. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    I wonder how this same person feels about the DLCs? He didn't mention them once, nor the fact that they upped the price of the season pass to nearly be the same as the main game, and then did nothing with it. It's just impossible to defend this game without using strawmen or logical fallacies. Good find, this was a good laugh.

    I would like to see someone like this justify the price of the season pass now though, especially since it only contains 1 big DLC, everything else being teeny DLCs, with the exception of "maybe" Nuka World.
     
  11. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    Well the DLC's are great RPGs. Take Wasteland Workshop. If you want to roleplay spamming neon signs everywhere, then that's what you're roleplaying. If you want to roleplay hanging lights, then that's your character. It is clearly a deeper RPG than Fallout 1 and 2 where you can't even pretend to be a neon sign spammer.

    I think this is what Pete Hines meant when he said role playing means you can pick flowers in the game all day.
     
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  12. whirlingdervish

    whirlingdervish Brahmin Cavalry Commander

    Jul 3, 2007
    I don't know what would be worse, having Nuka World be a tiny little dlc with not much going on, or having it be the biggest one yet while being based on a concept that is so inherently stupid.

    I could easily see them doubling down on big flashy idiocy at this point, instead of just lazily slapping together a little 5-10 hour dlc that was actually bearable in some form and had a little side story.
     
  13. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    The Automatron main quest was a complete rehash of The Superhuman Gambit from Fallout 3. I wouldn't be surprised if Nuka World is a rehash of the "Nuka Cola Challenge" with that girl that's obsessed with Nuka Cola from Fallout 3.

    You literally just collect Nuka Cola for her. Sounds like another excellent round of procedurally generated MMO quests. Great RPG because you're role-playing a Nuka Cola collector. 10/10 best RPG of all time.
     
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  14. aenemic

    aenemic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 4, 2008
    Not trying to make excuses for anyone, but people obviously have different opinions on what makes for good role-playing. In the end, I guess it's sad that so many people don't seem to have experienced better (or actual) role-playing, or plainly don't like it, and will settle for this.

    It's quite clear that this guy hasn't played a lot of rpg's outside of Fallout 4 and other Bethesda titles. Not even NV, as if he had he would know that for example Cass will leave you if your karma goes down. But yeah, this whole post reads like someone who simply tries to defend the common complaints against Fallout 4, and it's about as effective as polishing a turd.
     
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  15. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    You're giving Fallout 4 too much credit here in thinking they'd rip off that quest. Nuka Cola Challenge actually had a choice in who you could side with. You could either give the soda to the girl for a new recipe and some caps, or you could give them to a guy that essentially wants to fuck her brains out for a lot of caps. OR you can help the girl by killing her stalker, sending him off to the Nuka Cola factory with the promise of sex, where he gets mauled by mirelurks. Fallout 4 will have it so you can only gather the soda, and that's it, with no alternative or other person to give the soda to.

    For that matter, why the Hell is everyone comparing Automaton to Super Hero Gambit? Super Hero Gambit actually had choices. For example, you can either side with the Mechanist, side with Antagonizer, you can cause both of them to give up super heroing and go back to being normal people, or you can just kill both of them. Each choice comes with a different reward: Siding with the Mechanist gets you his laser pistol/rifle (can't remember which) and the Antagonizer's costume. Siding with the Antagonizer gets you the Mechanist's suit and the Antagonizer's special knife sword thing. Causing both of them to give up super heroing nets no special weapons but it does give you both costumes and loads of good karma. Killing both of them just yields the costumes and whatever else is on their corpses.

    Meanwhile in the Automaton, your choices are: Kill the Mechanist or spare the Mechanist. That's it. Nothing else. There is no other side you can be helping to overthrow her, no super villain you can help, etc. So no, Super Hero Gambit isn't like Automaton at all. I hate saying this but even Fallout 3's most stupid quest had far more choice and consequence than anything in Fallout 4.
     
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  16. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    You're right. The Fallout 3 quest was far better.

    Fallout 3 looks so much deeper and better in retrospect after playing Fallout 4. People talk a lot about how New Vegas is better than Fallout 4 (which it is, by far) but fact is Fallout 3 is also leagues ahead of Fallout 4.

    Quests in Fallout 4 are so lazy it's ridiculous. It's like the writers spent 1 day on the whole story/quest design.
     
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  17. Chud

    Chud Still Mildly Glowing

    Jun 8, 2015
    Fallout: Custodian
     
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  18. Mr muggyman 3000

    Mr muggyman 3000 Lover of coffe cups

    May 3, 2016
    He says he plays pillars of eternity in the comments, he even tries to say that fallout 4 is like pillars of eternity. The guy is obviously fucking mental.
     
  19. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Trollololol, trollolololololol, trollolololololol.
     
  20. Deeves

    Deeves Well, he went a little funny in the head . . .

    Jan 21, 2016
    Well sure, You could roleplay as a goddamn rock if you wanted to. It's a free country, I guess.

    But don't you want options to roleplay as something a little more, I dunno, exciting and varied for your $120?

    D: D: D:

    -snip, thought Chud's quote was someone at Sugarbomb, parody and reality are getting too hard to tell apart anymore-
     
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