Tyranny Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by Ragemage, Mar 16, 2016.

  1. Supreme Shah Ismail

    Supreme Shah Ismail Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Sep 17, 2016
    Its a nice little game for sure but it feels like a step back from Pillars in a lot of ways. It feels like filler for Pillars 2.

    I'm not really comforted by how similarly the game plays or how much was recycled.

    That said its still good just feels like a lot less effort was put in. Excited for Torment in January, backed dat shit.
     
  2. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    Finished my Scarlet Chorus play through.

    Voices of Nerat turned out better than expected.
    Literally making him my bitch by offering up Verse to him. But since her mind (& skill at stealing other people's skills) is too strong, he effectively became Voice of Verse. So she rules the Scarlet Chorus for me.

    Overall I was disappointed though. In general, I find it difficult to be truly evil. Say a FO1/2 playthrough where you're a real abusive & treachorous bastard? That doesn't come natural to me. In general I have to really focus on an evil playthrough & make sure I don't accidentally start doing helpful stuff. Anyway, for something marketed as "evil" this really felt more like going with the flow. More like you enable evil to follow in your path. Not so much as being the chief instigator of it.
     
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  3. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Oct 26, 2016
    While I haven't gotten around to finishing my first playthrough, I feel the same way regarding being truly evil. I got that same "same shit; different day" vibe from the game.
     
  4. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    I'm on my 3rd playthrough, this time with the Rebels. I'm enjoying it so far, though I'm not sure how I feel about not being able to recruit everyone in the Tiers at once. I suppose it adds more replay value for a Rebel run which is fine with me, it's interesting getting to see the other side of things after I've spent the other 2 playthroughs slaughtering them all.

    I haven't played the Scarlet Chorus yet but I honestly found it easiest to be evil on an Independent Run out of mine so far. Disfavored are a bit too uptight and soldier-like to go with the really chaotic evil options, and I imagine the Scarlet Chorus would dislike the more nuanced evil of the Disfavored (like enslavement VS recruitment). However with an Independent Run you're beholden to no one but yourself so all options become available to you. It helps that you have no allies save for Bleden Mark, and Bleden Mark is definitely a fan of sowing the seeds of chaos everywhere you go. It basically encourages you to be as evil as you want because hey, everyone hates you anyway. I tried to be nice in my first Independent Run, not worth it. After I finish my current Rebel Run and do one as the Scarlet Chorus, I'll probably do Independent again and see just how evil I can be. It helps add freedom to the evil you can commit rather than being chained down to Lawful Neutral-Evil to Chaotic Evil.

    I feel like the game has a lot of replayability so far even if it can be a bit railroad-y at times. Conquest definitely helps with that. At the very least I'm curious as to what will change in different areas if I decided to send the Chorus there, or the Disfavored there, or if I killed a powerful Tiersman or let them walk, etc. I mean yeah for the most part it is just dialogue changes but these dialogue changes can help give you a big boost with certain factions, especially Tiersmen. And the choices where it actually affects the landscape and the world as a whole are neat. (if you haven't, try Lethian's Crossing during Conquest, choices there affect a loooot)

    I would recommend trying out a Conquest where you're as douchey as possible (such as letting the Voices of Nerat eat all of Eb's friends at the School of Tides, that one makes Eb hate you instantly) and then going Independent during your game. Bonus points if you (Act I spoilers)

    be the ultimate betrayer and kick the Fifth Eye AND Tarkis Arri off the Spire, and then knife Eb in the gut for being too sarcastic

    Also, does anyone know how the Hell to raise Sirin's Loyalty? I've exhausted all dialogue options with her and she's only to Loyalty 2. I had one cutscene with the Bronze Brotherhood where I could raise her reputation but so far nothing else and I'm about halfway through the run. It says she likes it when you're kind but I'm playing a Rebel Run, I'm literally doing nothing except being kind.
     
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  5. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    @Ragemage
    In my SC run, initially, I was given the choice by Nerat to go to either Lethian's Crossing or somewhere else. I kept chosing somewhere else & by the end I got stuck with the same issue as you were for the Disfavored: no quests in Lethian's Crossing (except the trader sigil/seal thing for Tunon). Just a clear path to the Spire for the rest.

    Mostly stuff that fucks with the SC.

    Yeah, pretty much. I guess it might be due to the limited choices and also due to the fact everything around you is going to shit anyway. If the Disfavored execute prisonners (or enslave) and the Scarlet Chorus enlists, enslaves and murders its prisonners, what exactly is anything you're going to do make it worse for the common folk?
     
  6. FearMonkey

    FearMonkey Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Oct 12, 2011
    Don't want to read through 36 pages. Is there any kind of pacifist options? I understand the concept of pacifist evil overlord is a contradiction in terms. But is there a version of that kind of thing in this game? Combat is forced on you I assume like Pillars.
     
  7. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    No pacifism.
     
  8. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    No complete pacifist runs, but there are times you can talk your enemy out of fighting you or at the very least get a few to run away before the battle begins. For the most part though, almost all the people you talk to before a fight are hardened killers and won't back down without a lot of subterfuge, lore, or athletics. There are times you can be merciful and spare people but it'll probably piss the faction you're aligned with off (especially in the Chorus, hoo boy they HATE it when you aren't bloodthirsty)
     
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  9. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    Athletics usually serves to make one or two enemies in a group flee before the fight starts
     
  10. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    The game doesn't reward you for scaring people off though. It's ironic really.
    Since the game XP works by increasing "used" skills, you are often better off fighting them and gaining XP that way. The guys you can scare off at boss fights are usually pushovers anyway.
    The game also causes you to use [Athletics] solutions to real world problems just because it'll give you an xp boost. No matter if you found a steel rod to help you move a bolder, you'll still use the "bare hands" solution since that one raises your athletics skill whereas using the rod as a prybar and lever doesn't. So why fucking bother?

    An added problem is that XP is shared with your party, so if you solo a lot (which is hard) you'll hit the level cap super fast. The level cap isn't really fixed in the mechanics, but you stop leveling against enemies which are 3 levels below you. So since there's only enemies to level 18, I believe you're stuck at level 21.

    Then there's the trainers... Trainers give you a huge boost in skill and you should save your money for them. The thing is: if you do not return to the trainers at each level, you lose that progress. It cannot be used retroactively. So you need to run back to the camps or spires to get that extra progress (if you want to max your char). At the same time, I believe training your primary skills makes it harder to level them in combat? Though I could be wrong about that.

    The way you level is probably my biggest gripe with the game design. It's super fucking irritating and badly thought out.
     
  11. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Well, seems something is going on with Tyranny:

    The date above is for the PC Gaming Show at E3.

    Either it's announcing DLC, an expansion pack, a sequel or something unimportant.
     
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  12. Proletären

    Proletären Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Mar 15, 2012
    I would love an old fashion expansion. However it's gonna be two DLC:s
     
  13. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Don't you mean, an expansion split into two DLCs? :wiggle:
     
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  14. eissa

    eissa Altáriel, Lady of Radiant Garland

    Jan 7, 2016
    tyranny had dissapoint me so far..

    i want my lowlife PC where evil win RPG back
     
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  15. Proletären

    Proletären Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Mar 15, 2012
    we'll see! but I would hope so. would be nice if it's something similar to PoE:s White March expansion
     
  16. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    I did like the story and ending for White March overall. The reveals and implications of the story were pretty thought-provoking and cool (though parts of it were inconsistent when I thought about it).

    EDIT: Also this is rather late but a short time after that first pic, a new one came out:
     
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  17. Proletären

    Proletären Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Mar 15, 2012


    Sweet! Couldn't have hoped for better.

    e:
    1) Patch notes
    2) First DLC (Out now!) - Tales from The Tiers
    3) Second DLC - Bastard's Wound
     
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  18. Supreme Shah Ismail

    Supreme Shah Ismail Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Sep 17, 2016
    Tyranny dlc? nice.