WAR/MILITARY THREAD

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by TorontRayne, Jul 14, 2018.

  1. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    War never changes. From the primordial shit straight out of Africa, to the slave pits of Egypt, to the Coliseums of Rome, to the isles of Britain that fought for hundreds of years amongst one another before being invaded by Viking marauders, only to turn their eyes on France and fight for hundreds of years only to...

    It never ends. War will never end. There will always be a need for the Military.

    BLOOD MAKES THE GREEN GRASS GROW!!!


    Debate geopolitical war mongering, the military industrial complex, or just post videos of shit getting blown up.
     
  2. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    Rich men sending poor men to die, occasionally for a good cause. Also a necessary evil at times.

    I'd like to think that eventually we'll knock it the fuck off or at least do something like Rollerball instead, but I know better than to wax optimistic about it. When you get down to brass tacks, some people just need to be shot (it's almost never the ones who actually do get shot though).
     
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  3. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009


    At 7:20 you can see the guy who was my company commander. Ok guy I guess, sort of quiet fellow, not very psycho/angry. Old clip but most the of stuff in it are still used.
     
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  4. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    I have no footage of anything I did anymore...let me browse the Youtube though because I am sure some dude posted something in my unit.



    Been down this road.



    Visited here on a mission or two.



    Been in this room hahaa.



    Yep. I've been in this room too.
     
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  5. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    My brother is Army and I wish he'd stop reupping because he's like the only family member I could stand to talk to at this point (I mean, if he was ever available - seems like the Army's keeping him really busy) and sooner or later he's going to be sent away and not come back. He already got his Purple Heart (didn't specify how and I didn't press the matter), so fuck only knows what's going to happen next time. I can't even remember his unit info.
     
  6. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    He is trying to go for 20, eh?

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-arming-underwater-robots-assault-rifles-29577
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/china-tripling-size-its-marine-corps-29942
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/t...hina-sea-crisis-china-vs-britian-france-26189
     
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  7. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    Assuming so, he enlisted in 2002-2003 I think. Last I knew he was... E-6? and said something about training to become a drill sergeant? He was sending letters from South Carolina at one point, though I thought he was stationed at Ft. Hood in TX for a while. Contact with him has been so fucking sporadic that I worried something was up for a bit (he still has a connection with our mother and she'd be the kind of person to pour poison into his ear about me). He sends me subscriptions to Smithsonian Magazine on my birthday, sometimes writes something on the gift card. He actually took that over from my mother, who stopped talking to me at all sometime in 2013.
     
  8. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
     
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  9. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    That sucks. Must be some bad blood there.

     
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  10. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    It's fucking stupid. Political shit. She disowned me over political shit. Her online "friends" told her to do it, no less.

    My brother is a pretty level headed guy though and always took most of her BS with a big grain of salt, so I really hope he's just busy as hell. I'm given to believe that drill sergeant training is pretty rigorous and drill sergeants are generally kept busy as fuck.
     
  11. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    It is. When he becomes a DS he will be even more busy. They rotate with the other Drills, so they sleep at the Barracks.
    When the captain comes down on me, i cum hard all over you.



     
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  12. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    For as blood thirty and war hungry as the Americans get depicted in media, I gotta say I have grown very disenfranchised with the people of my country because I grew up in a bit of a bubble thinking that because we as Colombians had lived in a state of internal armed conflict for 50 years we had lost our appetite for war, many people I grew up with, even people I didn't like very much always seemed distraught by the fact that the war was never ending, it being more of a smoke screen to not adress the corruption in the country and to get the politicians rich.

    Well, 2016 happened. Everything was pointing towards the peace threaty being very popular and, sure enough, the departments more affected by the war spoke in favor of it.

    Then the voting came by, only 40% of Colombians even participated in the vote, and the vote against the peace threaty won by literally 51%. Were Colombians actually in favor of continuing this pointless waste of life and resources? Well the government reworked the peace threaty to be more to the like of the local Ultra Right wing Party, Centro Democratico, who still rejected the threaty anyway, still not good enough, nothing short of stringing up the FARC combatants in front of a pit and shooting them in the head seemed good enough for them. But the bilateral ceasefire had shown very good results in a sharp decrease on the number of murders carried out in Colombia, we got Historical low murder rates so the Government and the FARC got to negotiate peace anyway. Soon the disarmement of the FARC happened, we are still going through with the implementation of many of the measures stipulated by the peace threaty that even got the support of several international groups. Meanwhile, Centro Democratico had been gaining seats in the senate, apparently Colombia really liked them (altho, a recent scandal has surfaced where Centro Democratico senators being implicated in buying votes, paying up to 80 dollars a vote), and they even got a Presidential candidate for these past elections, Ivan Duque, a guy whose work resume is mostly the typical rich kid resume, being assistant to presidents of Banks, assistant to other politicians in conferences etc. They wanted this 42 year old nobody to be president, a lot of the rethoric in the elections was how he thought the peace threaty was a farce and how he intended to cut negotiations with the ELN who is the other large Guerrilla group, and his international policies were very focused on directly antagonizing Venezuela and leave UNASUR, clearly a very nationalistic move. He also wants to dispense with the High courts and the Legislative Power's existence and right to vote on policies and give the president such powers. And with the Centro Democratico in majority control of the Senate, that would give them complete control of the government.

    He won.

    Centro Democratico is led by an Ex President called Alvaro Uribe, followers of CD call themselves Uribistas, and threat Uribe like some sort of Patron Saint, to the point where "The one Uribe said" is their unironic motto for choices during elections.

    The president takes power in August.

    Since the rise of the CD, the power of Paramilitar organziations, supposedly created to combat the guerrillas (this fucking armed conflict has more factions than New Vegas), in many instances members of CD have been foudn to be funding them directly. They have been murdering Social leaders of rural areas affected by the conflict, and after the elections they have been targeting campaign leaders of the Leaftist candidate Gustavo Petro, who ran in the past elections and was Ivan Duque's direct opponent in the second round of the elections.

    Many Uribists are talking about war with venezuela as if was a Football game the yare waiting for, they are also making a lot of allusions and accusations that anyone who voted for Petro would probably fight for venezuela in this hypotethical war.

    I fear the next four years. The only hope we have right now, is the "Right to opposition" the Peace Threaty managed to get implemented, which gives Gustavo Petro a special place in the Senate despite losing the election to be able to voice the opinions and policies of the opposition and present alternative policies for voting, they also have access to media channels just like the president.

    But who knows, Colombia seems to have grown Indolent, rather than numb, it's not that they are used to the war but they just don't care anymore. I fear for my nephew who turns 18 next year under the term of a puppet president for a Party that is licking their lips about going to war with a neighbouring country.
     
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  13. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005


    Attempt to imagine how tight these need to be, how many there are, how many vehicles are in a Company/Battery, and how often these vehicles actually get used, and you begin to wish for the death of track vehicles. I bet this is why my back is fucked.



    This here is called a Rotational Unit Bivouac Area (RUBA) which you would be staying in during field exercises like the ones in California. THey are a more permanent setup than your standard tents since people rotate in for training year round.



    This is a little outdoor eating area at the NTC in California. Essentially you would eat your food standing up and go on your way.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Irwin_National_Training_Center



    The Cold War is over?







    When it's over it will go HOT.


    http://www.businessinsider.com/phot...-syria-then-playing-baseball-2018-7?r=UK&IR=T
     
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  14. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    I seriously fucking hope shit doesn't hit fans with Russia. About the only other country on the face of the planet that stands a chance of really bloodying us in a fair fight. Part of the reason I didn't want Hillary anywhere near the Oval Office was because of the noises she was making about Russia. Fuck.

    Was bad enough knowing my brother was dealing with the crazy motherfucking Hadjis a few years back, I don't really want him to have to deal with the Russkies.
     
  15. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005




    It looks like Russia is not the problem. They will wait for China to move (as far as WWIII fuck-fuck goes) and continue to use spy games to suit their agenda while making moves for their old satellites...as they should. You will see the EU bump their military spending up with Putin being so aggressive and Trump saying "Do what you want. Fuck Europe."
     
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  16. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    I'm going to laugh when the EU realizes it's going to need a serious fighting force and starts pulling money from other places to get their shit in gear, and then EU citizens are going to start going "wait what the fuck where did all the money go". And then we're going to give them the Tommy Lee Jones look.

    On the upside for the Euros, they're probably going to end up getting some neat expensive toys because of their attitudes towards subsidization and such while the US Military farts about with dumb shit like the Landwarrior program (did they fucking drop that yet?) and the goddamn F-35. Seriously, fuck the F-35. It's basically an export plane that's too fucking expensive and no one wants it. And they're not making the F-22 anymore for REASONS.
     
  17. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    I can tell you right now they will drop it because they always field shit they end up not using, not needing, or it takes so long it is obsolete by the time it gets finished..like the F-35.

    We just gave the Netherlands a bunch of tech to push Russia back a bit...


    The agreement has been designed to primarily support large-material projects, such as the replacement of the Boeing CH-47 Chinook and AH-64 Apache helicopters.

    “The CH-47 is an advanced multi-mission helicopter that incorporates a fully integrated, digital cockpit management system and advanced cargo-handling capabilities.”
    The cooperation will also support the acquisition of General Atomics Aeronautical Systems’ MQ-9 Reaper unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), in addition to the exchange of data during replacements of submarines and frigates.

    In addition, both countries agreed to cooperate further to improve the missile defence of the two nations.

    The CH-47 is an advanced multi-mission helicopter that incorporates a fully integrated, digital cockpit management system and advanced cargo-handling capabilities.

    Boeing’s AH-64 Apache helicopter is an advanced multi-role combat aircraft used by the US Army and a large number of international defence forces.

    The MQ-9 Reaper is a turboprop-powered, multi-mission Predator B remotely piloted aircraft (RPA) that has an endurance of more than 27 hours, can travel at speeds of 240k and operate at a height of up to 50,000ft.


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    The US is deploying Triton drones to Guam to assist with surveillance in the South China Sea, where the battle for strategic supremacy with China threatens to escalate into direct confrontation. What will the drones add to the US military’s arsenal in the Pacific?


    The high altitude, long-range MQ-4C Titon platform has a wingspan of 131ft.

    Prior to taking over the US Indo-Pacific Command on 30 May, four-star Admiral Philip Davidson appeared before a Senate committee. Referring to China’s ongoing development of forward operating bases on manmade islands in the South China Sea, he made the following statement.

    “China is now capable of controlling the South China Sea in all scenarios short of war with the US.”

    The military is not adverse to using hyperbole and scare tactics to squeeze a few extra dollars out of Congress, of course, but in this case there are real signs that power in the region is shifting to Beijing.

    Geopolitical analysts have long feared that the battle between the US and China for strategic military and economic supremacy in the South China Sea, as well as multiple disputes over territory and sovereignty – China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Taiwan all lay claim to the Spratly islands, for example – will escalate beyond political posturing and into direct military action.

    Recently, the situation has become ominous. In March, China sent a 40-ship flotilla, including its only native-built aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, to the South China Sea. The following month, reports came out that Beijing had installed electronic jamming equipment on two of its outposts in the Spratly islands.

    Despite President Xi Jinping’s assurances in 2015 that he would never seek to militarise the islands, China now operates three 10,000ft runways there, in addition to aircraft hangars, bunkers, military housing and deep-water piers for ships.

    Military flashpoint: the strategic importance of the South China Sea
    Located at the crux of where the Pacific and Indian Oceans meet, the South China Sea is one of the most hotly-contested geopolitical regions on Earth. A critical thoroughfare for the global economy, nearly a third of all maritime trade – worth a staggering $5.3tn last year – passes through it.

    Beijing has drawn a so-called ‘nine-dash line’ over the South China Sea, a territorial claim stretching 200 miles south and east from the province of Hainan, backed by island-building and naval patrols.

    “In October 2015, the US challenged Chinese hegemony by sailing a destroyer within 12 nautical miles of the artificial islands.”
    The line would theoretically give China control over a zone that caters for almost 40% of the global trade in liquefied natural gas, one that is home to an estimated 11 billion barrels of oil and 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.

    In October 2015, the US challenged Chinese hegemony by sailing a destroyer within 12 nautical miles of the artificial islands, the first in a series of actions planned to assert freedom of navigation.

    The following July, in a case brought by the Philippines, an arbitral tribunal ruled China has no legal basis to claim “historic rights” within its nine-dash line, a decision rejected by Taiwan and Beijing.

    Speaking at the Shangri-La Dialogue security conference on 2 June, US Defence Secretary Jim Mattis spoke out against China’s strategy of “intimidation and coercion” in the region, including the deployment of anti-ship missiles, surface-to-air missiles, electronic jammers, and, more recently, the landing of nuclear-capable bombers at Woody Island.

    “What China is winning is de facto control of nearly the entire South China Sea, including all activities and resources in it, despite the other surrounding Southeast Asian states’ respective legal rights and entitlements under international law,” Jay Batongbacal, director of the University of the Philippines Institute for Maritime Affairs and Law of the Sea, told Nikkei Asian Review.

    High and mighty: the MQ-4C Triton drone
    In response, the US has decided to step up its ïntelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities in the region, beginning with the deployment of two $180m MQ-4C Triton drones.

    Built by Northrop Grumman and based on the RQ-4 Global Hawk platform used by the US Air Force, the high altitude, long-range MQ-4C Triton platform has a wingspan of 131ft, weighs 14,628kg, and is installed with 360° electro-optical sensors capable of tracking maritime targets from 60,000ft.

    “The MQ-4C Triton incorporates a reinforced airframe and wing, de-icing and lighting protection systems.”
    The MQ-4C Triton incorporates a reinforced airframe and wing, de-icing and lighting protection systems and sophisticated sensor suites, allowing the platform to track ships over vast distances.

    “During surveillance missions using Triton, Navy operators may spot a target of interest and order the aircraft to a lower altitude to make positive identification,” stated Mike Mackey, Northrop Grumman’s Triton UAS programme director. “The wing’s strength allows the aircraft to safely descend, sometimes through weather patterns, to complete this manoeuvre.”

    The Triton can fly more than 24 hours at a time and has an operational range of 8,200 nautical miles.

    The data collected by the two drones will be fed back to ground stations at Naval Station Mayport in Florida, Naval Air Station Whidbey Island in Washington, or to P-8A Poseidon submarine hunters.

    “One of the main reasons the Navy decided to fund Triton was to have that teaming arrangement, to be able to communicate back and forth between P-8s and the Triton aircraft,” explained Mackey. “You want to give the P-8 the ability to perform the anti-submarine warfare mission while tying to [the] high-altitude ISR mission.

    “One of the things we’ll do is pass information back and forth between the two aircraft and the situational awareness of the fleet will be enhanced. Both aircraft have the ability to do chat, so both crews will be able to communicate back and forth.”

    Drone wars: are UAVs the answer in the Pacific?
    The first Triton squadron, Unmanned Patrol Squadron 19, will arrive at Andersen Air Force Base in Guam this summer. Once the drone reaches initial operational capability in 2021, the Navy plans to deploy a further two aircraft in Guam, with the four Titans making up one 24-hour, seven-day orbit.

    The use of drones in theatre or for ISR has its fair share of critics, however.

    Military Watch magazine points out that US drones active in Syria and Crimea have recently proven vulnerable to jamming from Russian electronic warfare units and that it remains to be seen whether drones will be able to survive near Chinese military facilities and stay reliable in the event of open conflict.

    Such a scenario still seems unlikely. So far the US has restricted its response to Chinese operations in the South China Sea to ‘freedom of navigation operations’, the most recent on 27 May.

    This was followed by US military aircraft flying over the Paracel Islands in early June, a move that prompted a countercharge of “militarisation’” against the US by China’s Foreign Ministry.

    At the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore in June, Mattis issued the following warning to Beijing.

    “There are consequences that will continue to come home to roost, so to speak, with China, if they do not find the way to work more collaboratively with all of the nations.”
     
  18. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    I am still trying to wrap my head around the buttfuck-retardation involved with the F-35.
    "We need a new plane."
    "For what role?"
    "All of them."
    "That won't w-"
    "Also make it a single-engined aircraft because twin engine birds are too expensive."
    "Dude what the fuck."

    And even though it's a single-engined multirole (read: optimized for export) IT'S HIDEOUSLY EXPENSIVE. How do you fuck up this bad.
     
  19. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    It's ok. We can sell them to a bunch of countries for pennies on the dollar now that whoever got rich off the deal is long gone.
     
  20. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018