What was the Funniest Argument You've had with a Bethesda Apologist?

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by FlashBash64, May 13, 2016.

  1. Ediros

    Ediros Vault Dweller

    Feb 4, 2016
    Brand New Stuff. Posted a thread about Failout 76, guess what happened?

    ME:
    https://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/1...estigates-bethesda-deceptive-trade-practices/





    Told You, bugthesda sucks. Fallout is dead. I was right all along.

    1. Congratulations on being a pessimistic, fatalistic asshole?

    2.Fallout 76 is a enjoyable game, i fail to see why every asshole on the internet thinks they need to be so flipping negative about it.

    3.
    I’d like to say a few things...

    Fallout 76 is overpriced in the current state of the game, it’s buggy and to a lot of people not very enjoyable.

    Fallout 76 isn’t a good fallout game, but it’s an alright MMO, it’s fun with friends and that’s what it’s good at, but solo-players aren’t having fun and don’t have a lot of replay ability.

    Fallout 76 has bugs, Bethesda is probably gonna fix that like with their other games, but as it stands some people don’t agree that it’s finished enough for release.

    Fallout 76 has microtransactions, a lot of people don’t like how it’s implemented, others might like how Bethesda did it.

    All in all I don’t like the game, but some do, I’m not saying the Fallout franchise is dead or Bethesda sucks, I just feel like my trust has been betrayed, with how they gave us information at interviews and such, they made it seem like everyone could enjoy the game equally, to me it doesn’t seem so.

    But the game is getting way more hate than it should, it’s not the worst game ever, it’s not the best either, it’s want you want to get out of it that matters, it’s an alright MMO in a universe many have enjoyed before.

    4.
    Fallout 76 is bad but doesn't kill the Fallout series.

    One, its bad because (for me) the MMO aspect ruins the solo atmosphere.

    Two, the amount of bugs and weird gameplay mechanics that were presented in the game.

    5.



    I still think Oxhorn put it best.

    "This is not Fallout 5."

    It's different, it's buggy, and it needs fixing, but I still incredibly enjoy this game.

    6.
    People like to ignore that this is not only a side project, but for the most part this game was made by BGS Austin, not BGS proper, who are currently neck deep in Starfield.

    7.Let’s be absolutely clear. Fallout 76 is a bad game. One of the worst games released to date. But saying that it’s the worst Fallout game is simply not correct.
    That title will always belong to this monstrosity.

    8.
    That too. I'm not gonna yell at anyone who doesn't like the game, cause no one's wrong in disliking it. It's very different than any fallout before it, but I will say it's wrong to say bethesda sucks and fallout is dead because they made a different game.

    9.Hope for the best expect the worst, my friend, I think you got it backward.

    10.
    not sure if i get the game with the nuking the other idiot house feature and with all those bug there at every bethesda launch i feel it going to turn into a griefer wet dream with game exploit and all

    i hope it dont turn like gta online

    11.

    I'm not saying that it's a good game, but even Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel beats Fallout 76 in several ways. While the game's content wasn't very Fallout-like, at least it had content. At least it wasn't a buggy mess. At least you didn't need to have an internet connection in order to play it. At least it didn't have microtransactions. At least it didn't have freakishly large patches you needed to download. At least it had a purpose; It had actual characters, a story, and a set goal to work towards. And it had the late, great Tony Jay among its cast. That alone makes it worth at least one playthrough.

    But of course, it still doesn't forgive all its faults and foibles. It's still a watered-down clone of Baldur's Gate: Dark Allliance, its dialogue and music are every hormone-addled teenage edgelord's wet dream, it led to Interplay going bankrupt and being forced to sell the rights, etc.

    If there's one thing Fallout 76 has that stops it from being a complete franchise-killing shitshow like BoS, it's that, as Livingdeath pointed out, it was clearly just a side project to hold people over while Bethesda worked on Starfield and The Elder Scrolls VI, and it's definitely not the direction the company actually wants to take with the franchise. Unlike Brotherhood of Steel, which Interplay was so completely in love with that they delayed and then eventually cancelled Van Buren to work on it and its sequel (which also got cancelled).
     
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  2. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Dec 6, 2016
    There some things; beside war; that never changes.
     
  3. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    I hadn't seen the first line so I thought that Ediros had found common sense for himself somewhere :mrgreen:
     
  4. Ediros

    Ediros Vault Dweller

    Feb 4, 2016
  5. mithrap

    mithrap Ring a ding-ding, baby

    May 17, 2016
    You know what ? In retrospect and in the light of Fallout 76, even that monstrosity had some rare qualities. Not redeemable ones, but still. Sometimes, it landed almost funny jokes. The different characters allowed for actual different playstyles and the environments were pretty diverse. It was sold honestly ; full price for a full game, and the trailer didn't lie about the... er, horrible content.
    Even this horror of a game had qualities that I cannot find in Fallout 76. Except for weapon degradation, I can't find any quality that could nuance my feelings about it. It just sucks.

    I never thought I'd see the day where I'd say good things about Brotherhood of steel, by retrospect. That's the state of Fallout right now.
     
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  6. Bethesdaretconman

    Bethesdaretconman First time out of the vault

    Nov 28, 2018
    "Ms. Bishop used jet before Myron invented it. Chris Avellone said in the Fallout Bible it was a mistake. Chris said years later the fallout bible is not canon. Jet is prewar."
     
  7. LuciusCorneliusSulla

    LuciusCorneliusSulla First time out of the vault

    Sep 23, 2018
    Ms. Bishop used jet before Myron invented it? I'm sorry but weren't they both in Fallout 2 where Myron had invented jet before the PC left Arroyo? I haven't played in a while but that sounds pretty dubious.

    Chris said the FO bible is not canon because he was no longer associated with the ip. Were it still owned by black isle studios it would very likely be canon.

    Who are you quoting btw?
     
  8. Highplainsdrifter

    Highplainsdrifter First time out of the vault

    Dec 7, 2018
    The argument itself wasn't all that funny but the guys rabid defense of Bethesda was.

    I don't have the specific argument because that was several Reddit accounts ago but the gist of it was this guy defending 76's only online/multiplayer no NPC game play by saying "It wont effect the main line fallout games" (Discounting the fact that we all saw this coming with Fallout 4). I responded by saying that if 76 makes them enough money they wont abandon that formula for Fallout 5. He just could not understand that point. just didn't compute for him. we went back and forth for a while before i gave up.

    I don't think that my fears of 76 being a massive money maker for Bethesda can pan out anymore though, and that's for the best. This game got absolutely shit on for good reason. Full of bugs and bad server connectivity, the cheating that's sure to happen eventually and on top of that, the horrific PR of the canvas bag debacle, the MASSIVE personal identifying information leak that violated US law, the EUs GDPR and most other countries data protection laws that will undoubtedly incur some hefty fines from the EU especially and that class action lawsuit i dont think 76 will be looked at fondly over at Bethesda and Zenimax. Ironically, if they had made a MMORPG in the vein of Elder Scrolls online, it would have been a better game AND would have been closer to the original games.

    Its not a good sign that 76 went down to $30 in some stores a week after launch...
     
  9. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Vault Dweller

    Oct 26, 2016
    That hack, sycophantic fluffer on the Bethesda forums - Awesomepossum.

    When he wasn't weaponizing another user's depression as a counter-argument to why Fallout 4 sucks, he was writing exhaustive, bullet-point lists on why Bethesda "RPGs" were superior.

    You didn't have to mention Fallout New Vegas and he would still find a way to drag it in the mud in order to prove something. Case in point the RPG Codex review thread that is now dust. It mentioned FNV maybe twice, indirectly, and he dedicated almost 3 pages to talking about how shit FNV was while not addressing the core points against Fallout 4.

    He felt factions in FNV were bad because the disguise system didn't have smart conditionals for when you put on a Legion outfit in front of an NCR trooper (they'd immediately shoot you). He praised Fallout 4's factions even though you couldn't kill Maxson (or any other faction leader) from stealth without the whole faction telepathically knowing it was you.

    He was just as quick to ignore the FO bible as a legitimate source of information, as he was to use it as proof for one of his unlettered diatribes.

    In a thread about sex, gambling and other vices (and lack thereof) in Fallout 4, he immediately used Magnolia as proof of there being prostitution. Even though it was a one-night stand by way of flirting with Robert Altman's, voice actor for scale, digital wife. He dismissed gambling because it didn't fit the "theme" of the game. As if gambling is something exclusive to Las Vegas, and that people looking to survive and make caps are going to respect pre-war gambling boundaries and laws. An entire fucking faction is based on the Mafia, notorious for gambling dens and drug dealing, and the reason to not include gambling is because it's not thematic. There's even an arena in the game and it's still not thematic.

    He was the culmination of an untreated abscess that just kept growing with garbage and nonsense. If you gave him an enema you could bury him in a matchbox. Truly, the only person I can reliably say I hate.
     
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  10. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Dec 6, 2016
    heeh. This guy still exist? :lol:

    I remember once someone told him that argument that Fallout 3 has no farms and livestock and such.

    and he replied that the Geck of Fallout 3 indicates that there are more brahmins there than in NV, so this argument should be applied to NV.

    Then I said: "what about the bighorners?"

    He replied that that was not what they were talking about, so it did not matter. :lol:

    I wonder what he thinks about Fallout 76
     
  11. Norzan

    Norzan Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Apr 7, 2017
    What the fuck did that person expect? Two factions at war with each other, killing each other on sight. Of course you are gonna get shot on sight if you wear a Legion outfit near NCR people.


    It seems one of those people that have been appearing lately. The ones that find things to criticize New Vegas while elevating Fallout 3 and 4 in the process, because New Vegas is much more praised than those two by a large amount of people in the community. It's the "backlash to the backlash" approach.
     
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  12. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Vault Dweller

    Oct 26, 2016
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    In a word, still going to bat for a private company.
     
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  13. Norzan

    Norzan Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Apr 7, 2017
    Oh lord, it's the highest level of shilling. That guy is a lost cause.


    The one about the game going on sale so soon after release is the most hilarious. Battlefield V went on sale because it's actually failing as hard as Fallout 76. The game actually has less people playing than the game that came before and it was like this one week after release.
     
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  14. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Dec 6, 2016
    :lol:

    I think only gizmo still has the patience to put up with this guy
     
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  15. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Vault Dweller

    Oct 26, 2016
    Gizmo had a very eloquent response to possum on the, now dead, BethSoft forums and I'll never forget it. Paraphrasing:

    Circa 2011.
     
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  16. Norzan

    Norzan Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Apr 7, 2017
    There's an user in the Grim Dawn forum that has a name very similar to that guy. Don't know if they are the same person, but it would be kind of funny if he was.


    But seriously, that man has been shilling for Bethesda for at least 7 years based on the year of that quote from Gizmo. At this point it must be really fucking sad to spend this much time being a zealot. Like, what does this guy want? A medal from Bethesda?

    Haven't met a zealot that has defended a company for this long, all the others i have met eventually notice how shit the company is or just move on to another company.
     
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  17. Highplainsdrifter

    Highplainsdrifter First time out of the vault

    Dec 7, 2018
    Some people can never be saved.