What would you fine people think of a Fallout set in Germany?

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Shaodeus, May 4, 2016.

  1. Brivoo

    Brivoo Powered by Radiant AI

    Jan 20, 2016
    Doesn't matter how developed they are, they are the global equivalent of bum-fuck nowhere. The minute transportation becomes limited you can bet your ass they're getting isolated.
     
  2. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    So? They can have factories, they're not a penal colony anymore. Robots were around at least twenty years before the War. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever why they shouldn't be able to build them.
    Licensed factories and subsidiaries of General Atomics and so on.
    And, of course, own research and development. In the world of Fallout robots aren't exactly hard.
     
  3. NotAcasul

    NotAcasul meanie

    Mar 17, 2016
    We talking about the European Civil, or the Great War? And robots are fairly complex pieces of machinery.
     
  4. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Great War, but European Civil war also counts. The world was at reasonable peace long enough for technologies like robots to spread around the world.
    Yeah, robots are complex, but very much a solvable problem in the world of Fallout.
    Today robots don't work well because of power cell issues, which are not a problem in Fallout, and programming, which are also not a problem in Fallout due to the way SCIENCE! works. If Austria can have an AI that develops a plasma pistol, other countries like Australia can surely build a basic robot. Even if it's just based on a license. Hell, there's probably Holden Atomics in Australia that sells licensed General Atomics stuff as well as its own developments and variations or something like that. Subsidiaries don't suddenly stop existing when the relationship between countries worsen.
     
  5. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Yeah, like Hassknecht suggests, I am pretty sure that Europe and most countries associated with the US would have been able to purchase US technologies such as its range of robots, computers, and other technologies.
    And that US corporations would have holdings or subsidiaries in other parts of the world.

    Actually I would not even be surprised that despite the war in Europe, European weapons manufacturers continued to sell weapons, ammunition, and amor to the US while the US corporations and manufacturers continued to sell tech and supplies to European nations.
     
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  6. NotAcasul

    NotAcasul meanie

    Mar 17, 2016
    Well, I don't think that any other country than America uses fusion like they do. Why would they have run out of resources in the first place if they had fusion?
     
  7. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Fusion was developed pretty late in the Fallout universe, around near the end of the Anchorage campaign the first crude fusion cells started to appear.
    Probably to late for any large scale use and replacement of traditional energy sources.
     
  8. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Because you probably can't make everything into Fusion. Even a world with Fusion as main energy source requires oil for their industry, and many other more or less rare resources, like gold, coper, well all sorts of metals really. Fusion cells have to be build from something after all. And what The Dutch Ghost said, changes take time.
     
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  9. Polynoid

    Polynoid Faceless creature in green pullover

    Apr 13, 2016
    I see Germany being pretty mediaval in Fallout. There are castles being refurbished to fortresses, with minion folk tending to their landlords. Old cities like Rottweil are surrounded by walls - all civilized life is outside the big metropols, as they were kept compact enough and weren't hit by nukes as hard as the big cities.
    There are some small villages and families being cannibals, like in movie "Hell".
    Former Bundeswehr become either gangs like Gunners in FO4 or start to conglomerate, like BoS, evetually forming the Hanse, a guarded route for traders.
    The country is split in smaller shires and there are small skirimishes over power.
    Someone either unify Germany again or seed discord by destroying a faction striving for order.
     
  10. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    There'd certainly be way less firearms around, most likely.

    As for "murrica only" fusion power, they at least shared the technology enough with Germany so they could build the L30 gatling laser.
     
  11. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    No clue why people think murrica should be the only one with advanced technology ... didn't the Chinese invent the Stealth Boy in Fallout after all?
     
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  12. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    Apr 22, 2016
    I think the largest issue is the small amount of influence other countries have in the American setting. Considering America is supposed to be the melting pot for all people you would think the technology would be influenced by a variety of cultures.

    Imagine if you will German made cars still zipping around on American streets. Or some weird gizmo that came from Japan that everyone was interested because it did something. But Fallout's America is very single minded in this approach and even flat out rejects culture mixing.

    The only non American technologies we are introduced to in Fallout were what the Shi was developing, and later Bethesda's garbage.

    And considering American companies for a moment I would like to think Poseidon oil is all over the globe. Along with General Atomics, and Robco.

    My question is in the Fallout universe did America have any bases abroad? As in was there an American base in Germany or someplace? As that could be used as a reasonable catalyst to jump start a Fallout game in another country.
     
  13. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Where does this come from? Fallout 1 and 2 barely mention or even refer to pre-war America.
    A good portion of the weaponry in Fallout 1 and 2 is german. No reason why they wouldn't have some german luxury cars around as well.
     
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  14. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    Apr 22, 2016
    But that is what I'm getting at, the level of outside influence is minimal. We don't see the Krampus running around smacking the behinds of bad wasteland children or any consistent references of non American Culture. The closest we got to anything non American was the Shi. But even then its portrayed as the "China" town of the wasteland and a husk of its former culture. (Plus the biggest reason they put it there is because it fit so will with the big trouble and little china references.)
     
  15. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    But you also don't see Santa Clause or anything specifically american anywhere except for ruins. If it's so superduper american, why aren't there "twinnies" or "doublecows" instead of brahmin? "Jacoren" is also a very typical american name, perfect for the leader of people closest to pre-war America.
    The thing is we don't know at all what pre-war America was like. And certainly not how it was like 20 years before the War, so personally I don't think it makes much sense to categorically state that there was no outside influence, Fallout is american to the core.
     
  16. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    Apr 22, 2016
    Well I can agree and disagree, but I don't know if incorporating "Santa" as a American only concept is valid or fair. Plus Fallout pushed away from typical religions and instead pushed their own weird satires of them.

    Jacoren? I can't say that any name is "American" but Jacoren is not a typical American name. I'm American and I have met and read about a lot of people, the only time I encountered a Jacoren was in the Fallout Universe.

    And yes we don't know what the Pre-war world was like, but the lack of diversity ultimately states what little influence other cultures had on the United States. You would think some superstition or traditions would have survived the war of course as they are something ingrained into the culture. But the only superstitions and traditions players encounter are post war.
     
  17. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    I forgot all about that, but yes even Fusion would not resolve the issue of raw material shortages in general.
    Oil isn't just fuel but also use for plastics among other things, and you need metals to make alloys and components.
    I am pretty sure there was some recycling going on as the US had to get material for machines somewhere. With oil becoming more and more rare and gasoline prices rising a lot of people stopped using traditional cars which could be reduced to components and materials again.

    Hmm, that makes the opening of Fallout 4 even more convoluted. Except for the rich, who would be able to afford a fusion cell powered car any more? (I think the car industry could hardly meet the demand of the US government's needs) The energy crisis had become so severe that even the infrastructure and transport of essentials such as food had become bare bones, resulting in food shortages on the West Coast and parts of the Mid West such as Colorado.
    Sanctuary would have to be some kind of closed community for the well off population.

    For fusion and other essential technologies to replace traditional ones, they would have to be implemented at least ten or fifteen years before the 2077 in order to make a difference, and the war would still happen as the Chinese do not have access to these (the West would probably put an embargo on selling Chinese such technologies)


    From what I recall the Stealth boys are based on the Chinese stealth suits the US managed to acquire.
     
  18. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    The point is that we also don't see many other forms of pre-war culture, be it american or foreign. It's generically western post-civilisation, nothing particular american left.

    Exactly. Fallout's culture is weird. Not really all that "american".

    Do you see shamans running around right now, or have contact to a multitude of weird-ass traditions and mythologies? Now imagine a world totally down the shitter, where survival is the biggest priority. Barely any traditions or whatever besides the barebone aspects like language and basic style of clothing would survive.
     
  19. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Fallout 4s opening was totally shitty anyway and showing how few Bethesda either doesnt care or understand what Fallout was about, probably both. You could get the idea, that from Fallout 1 and Fallout 2, the past was some kind of happy-happy-joy-joy 1950s vision of the future, where people lived the american dream or something. But that's just the bizarre surface, where you had actually a resource war going on, the US fighting in China and the world on the brink of colapse where the US has become a society with an autocratic government. And what they show in F4 has nothing to do with that.
     
  20. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    I'd say yes.
    The timeline mentioned in first Fallout intro suggested that the real history is still a thing; it started with Romans, continued through Spains, straight to Hitler shaping the battered Germany into an economic superpower, and ending with 21th century catastrophic events. Since WW2 was a real thing, I don't see any reason why some U.S. military bases with tactical nuclear weaponry couldn't be placed in Germany, as we can see it today.