Why did Vault-Tec put so many Vaults right outside Vegas.

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Jogre, Jun 16, 2017.

  1. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    Going off topic a bit, if you have any unreleased stuff for any of your books, are they canon?

    It's not canon. The authors themselves said it's not canon. Bethesda could very well change that one day (let's hope not) but until then the Fallout Bible and Van Buren are not canon. Bits of Van Buren were used for New Vegas, those are canon but only as we see in New Vegas. Everything else such as the space plan and the station AI (or whatever it is) aren't.
     
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  2. Danuis

    Danuis Still Mildly Glowing

    Jul 6, 2016
    As for 'why Vegas', Vault Tec didn't, Obsidian did; due to the constraints of the map. Even extrapolating and enlarging NV to pre-war LV, the city is much, much smaller than OTL LV now. It should be nothing more than a gambing strip and supporting infrastructure; and I daresay doesn't deserve a vault to begin with. Alaska*, California, Oregon and Washington would consume most of the vaults, then a jump over to the East Coast, and then shit-outta-luck for the interior for the most part, with maybe two vaults per Commonwealth Capital or so.

    House may had been a techno-giant but would that automatically grant a vault or five in his region? I doubt it.
     
  3. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Still Mildly Glowing

    Dec 6, 2016
    my God....

    SOCIAL EXPERIMENTS.
     
  4. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    The Vaults aren't prestige works.

    Why not in the desert where there's large space to tear up the ground and build things? That's why they built the United States nuclear waste disposal facility there.
     
  5. Juza The Cloud

    Juza The Cloud Nanto Goshasei

    Jun 3, 2015
    The Ghoulstronauts are comming, mark my words.
     
  6. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    Are you suggesting coconuts migrate mass numbers of people looking to survive a possible nuclear war live in nuclear waste disposal facilities? Or have I misinterpreted?

    The original post was questioning why there are so many Vaults when the surrounding population size likely doesn't warrant it. Vault 22 I can understand since it's more isolated than most other Vaults, Vault 11 I still maintain could have held people from Boulder City and surrounding areas, Vault 21 could have held enough people from Vegas and 34 could have been for military and their families. Lot of guessing I know, but really Vault 3 and 19 could have been left out and even 34 could have been alluded to as a far away Vault in Arizona rather than being in Vegas.


    EDIT: Adding to Vault 22, it had support from Big MT and was planned as a special research Vault.
     
  7. Risewild

    Risewild Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Maybe it was to prevent Bethesda from using those vault numbers :lmao:.
    "How many vaults should we have?"
    "As many as possible so Bethesda doesn't use them in the future!"
    :lol:
     
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  8. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    I'm pointing out in real life, underground government facilities are usually built in....Nevada.
     
  9. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    Ok?

    The government in Fallout commissioned Vault-Tec to build Vaults, yes, but that doesn't really justify building a large number of them bunched together in a place where a population wouldn't be as high as other cities, say D.C. or Chicago. It's really stretching it having numerous Vaults built so close together.
     
  10. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    But...the Vaults were never meant to help anyone. There was never enough to help the actual survivors, not even close. The Vaults are social experiments.

    So, why wouldn't they be built in a place where you can actually build them easily? The ones in California weren't built in Los Angeles. The Vault there wasn't a "real" Vault, it was a stage display they used to rebuild the Boneyard.

    The other Vaults were all built out in the country.
     
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  11. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    Yes...I'm aware that most were experiments. Doesn't justify building so many of them so close together though for a place that isn't as densely populated.
     
  12. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    The Vaults have only 1000 residents.

    I'm trying to understand the logic of why you should build them in a densely populated area.

    Wouldn't it be far easier in a rural area?

    Densely populated areas would be much harder to build under and control.
     
  13. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    I never said they should be built in a densely populated area, I'm saying I don't think so many should be built in the same region so close together.
     
  14. Danuis

    Danuis Still Mildly Glowing

    Jul 6, 2016
    No one said anything about putting them in the bigger cities, we're not putting them downtown. They've all been in the Suburbs save Vault 3, 12, and Vault 21. We're just putting them on a logical spread. LV has around 6 vaults in or around it in the Mojave. Boston has 6 (1 incomplete), Maine 1 (incomplete), DC has 6. LA has...0, with 1 in Bakersfield and 2 beyond that. Northern Nevada/California has 1. Denver has 1 (ish).

    In the case of NV, one vault would had sufficed, one huge dungeon-vault than a myriad of vaults, IMO, both in gameplay and story terms.
     
  15. YeeCop

    YeeCop Just a Sweet Irradiated Transvestite

    Jan 26, 2017
    Well given how zany the experiments the Vaults in the Mojave Wasteland hosted (34 had a full-blown arsenal for its citizens, 19 paranoia for the Reds/Blues, 22 a series of botanical experiments that went horribly wrong, 21 had problems solved with gambling, 11 had a democratically elected overseer who oversaw the annual "Vault Sacrifice"), Vault-Tec's development in the Mojave was more on treating the Vegas residents like guinea pigs and less like humans seeking refuge in an elaborate bomb shelter.
     
  16. NMLevesque

    NMLevesque Commie Ghost

    Jul 2, 2016
    The part that gets me is that they couldn't find more than a few thousand people loyal enough to be treated as fellow Americans. Like really, you can only trust a single oil rig's worth of your own people?
     
  17. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    It's why I do like the space theory. I get the impression everyone was ready to take off but the people they were going to take with them didn't go.
     
  18. Unorthodox Outlander

    Unorthodox Outlander First time out of the vault

    Aug 28, 2017
    This probably isn't the most sensible theory in comparison to what has been said thus far, but perhaps Mr. House could've influenced things just a smidge? Given the fact that he was doing quite a bit of planning for the coming nuclear war beforehand, is it too farfetched to consider the possibility of a little RobCo money persuading some higher-ups to put a few extra shelters down around Vegas?