Xcom 2 ?

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by eissa, Jan 7, 2016.

  1. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    The seed basically says when enemy does X roll (say, 1% or 100 chance to hit), it hits, or misses, based on the RNG.

    Its entirely possible that the first enemies you meet will do nothing more than 1 hit your entire squad while you miss, and no amount of tactics will chance this from happening.

    Its RNG, but its RNG which can't be altered during gameplay.
     
  2. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    :confused: :scratch: I asked for cite-able proof. Not a statement. A link to reputed sites that confirm your point?

    Because my own experiences with the game suggest otherwise. Using full cover for instance, hunkering down, killing those first enemies before they get a chance to open fire, those seem to prevent instant OHKO of whole squads (since you bypassed that supposed 'unalterable' RNG by metaphorically cutting off the middle-man). So you'll have to excuse me for not buying the claim of "unfair RNG from the get go".

    Honestly, I have my doubts in trusting what you're saying at the moment since IIRC, your latest triple-A grudge is apparently against X-COM 2, when you ought to be going after things like GTA 5 and their ilk. So again, you'll have to excuse me for not believing what you're saying.
     
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  3. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Dude, its RNG...It has a CHANCE to happen, doesn't mean it always will...

    And hunkering down only means the seed for X% will be used instead of the ones for non-cover.

    For all you know, the seed makes cover have a HIGHER chance to get your guys killed.

    I actually like Xcom2, it could be a lot better, and I hate the devs for ruining it with DLC shit which breaks the game, but overall its okay.

    Boring I guess, there's so little to do, and every turn takes fucking ages, AND EVERY MISSION BASICALLY HAS A TIMER! GRAH!
     
  4. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    :scratch:
    So NO actual proof for your claim despite my requests (it is also not hard to admit that you made this part up and can't cite it) and didn't you say that the RNG seed is certain, no matter the deviation so how does chance work in your point?

    Okay then...

    Point forgotten and dropped. Also quoting @eissa;
    THAT'S X-COM BABY! :whatever:
     
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  5. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    You want me to start like a million new games just to fine one possible unavoidable outcome?...
     
  6. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    If you must. If you can prove it, good. If not:
     
  7. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Paul I...I...

    I thought you were a GEP gun.
     
  8. eissa

    eissa Gall óGlaigh Lady of War

    Jan 7, 2016
    also @ThatZenoGuy still waiting for your reply regarding arrow injury hehe

    Meet me at discord if dont have time
     
  9. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    What?
     
  10. eissa

    eissa Gall óGlaigh Lady of War

    Jan 7, 2016
    There.. :D
     
  11. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Well, no shit getting shot by an arrow is bad, but compared to even early gun shots, its not much.

    People can fight with 5-6 arrows sticking out of their body if they're high on adrenaline and nothing important has been hit.

    People hit by 5-6 musket rounds won't be standing, they'll be a crumpled mess on the ground.
     
  12. eissa

    eissa Gall óGlaigh Lady of War

    Jan 7, 2016
    did you have prove?
    both are equally bad, but arrow injury is even worse. It Cuts your muscle and nerve to the point that it might fatal and permanent depend on the injury were located. Also removing musket ball is more easier than arrow like i said before.
     
  13. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    No, arrows are NOT worse than musket balls, how can you even compare the two?

    Musket balls can pulverise bones and ribs, and have immense hydrostatic shock.

    Lets compare the energies of both things, an arrow (fired fromr your usual warbow) and a musket ball.

    Arrow=113.76 joules

    Musket Ball (Frired from an aquebus, an EARLY as hell gun)= 663 joules

    One has literally 6 times the energy of the other, and unless the ball overpenetrates, its ALL going into you.
     
  14. eissa

    eissa Gall óGlaigh Lady of War

    Jan 7, 2016
    no i just curious, what arrow head injury you are referring so that muh a man high on adrenaline could resist 5 arrow sticking on their body. Despite what movie ussually potray, arrow injury is not something that to be taken easy in the past
     
  15. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Simple human anatomy?

    Humans can tank actual bullets when high on adrenaline, .38 special revolvers weren't doing the job on drugged tribals, so they had to go up to .45 ACP for the stopping power.

    I am not saying the human will be in good shape, but he'll be able to stand, at the least, and maybe even get a few swings at someone else.

    But lets assume he's wearing the bare minimum of protection, a gamberson...And now the arrows are barely penetrating into him, making him even BETTER in shape.

    Meanwhile a musket will go right through, and cause massive trauma.
     
  16. eissa

    eissa Gall óGlaigh Lady of War

    Jan 7, 2016
    did you have any historical source for this? i dont doubt that some people who were high on drug could whistand bullet shot without easily succumb on pain, but high on adrenaline? could you define that


    but what gambeson? what protection he's wearing? there's so many different specification and layer for gambeson that generally grouping them to one is problematic. Hell just look at this 16 layer gambeson + Riveted maille

    Quite deep i would say...

    Edit: also definitely contradicting your earlier statement of maille having better chance to resisting arrow
     
  17. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Oh hey, point blank arrow shots penetrate weaker armour! Who would have thought!

    Post one at 100-200 yards/meters doing it.

    As far as I am aware of, citations of 'people on adrenaline tanking bullets' aren't really found, because go figures once it wears off, they die and succumb to the trauma.

    Its like the people who lose arms and shit without a care.

    Remember 24 hours? The dude cut his fucking arm off, bone included, with a blunt knife and remained awake.
     
  18. eissa

    eissa Gall óGlaigh Lady of War

    Jan 7, 2016
    what about your effort? at least i give you evidence not just rumbling reactionary argument.

    but hey...you didn't even bother to prove your claim regarding RNG, so why even bother with this lol
    no offence for that, there's plenty of time in internet anyway so i'll always be waiting here :D
     
  19. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Oh, I'm sorry I can't film myself shooting people to test their durability against fucking arrows and gunfire.

    How many fucking videos are there of people being shot and surviving?
     
  20. eissa

    eissa Gall óGlaigh Lady of War

    Jan 7, 2016
     
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