A Few Ideas

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1) There should be less ammo, especially for the really powerful guns. This, if done right, could make melee and unarmed much more useful, and it would make the less powerful guns useful late in the game.

2) The really powerful stuff should be rarer. For example, I shouldn't be able to walk into Red 888 guns in San Francisco and buy a vindicator minigun, a guass rifle, and power armor.

3) The game world should be smaller. In Fallout 2 the game world seemed too large. The size in Fallout 1 was good.
 
1) agreed, but don't take al the big guns out of the game, just make em harder to find, cuz I got some pretty nice ideas for new weapons.

2) isn't that what you said before?

3) someone once said that the Fo2 map was about 200 x 150 miles. there are about 40x30 squares. one square = 5 miles, yet your character takes ALMOST A DAY crossing ONE!!! your car, with al the upgrades 5 HOURS!!! don't worry about the size, worry about the traveltimes.

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My first suggestion was that there should be less ammo. My second suggestion was that the powerful guns and armor should be rarer.
 
Are you sure that's right? I didn't think the area was that compact.

Skie
 
I definitely disagree with the 3rd one. I think the gameworld should be bigger. After playing Fallout2, the first Fallout seems to be a bit lacking.
 
I reckon there should either be less guns or shop keepers should have more money as I always had too many guns to carry as the shop keepers didn't have enough money or interesting items I wanted.
 
Travel time

18 hours throug the desert should be at least 30 miles a square, now you're telling me that the map is 1200x900??? The travel times are incorrect either way. I don't know xactly and I didn't actually count the squares (I'll do that today) but there's something awfully wrong with the map or square size.

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I COUNTED THEM

It's 28 on top x 30 along the sides.

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RE: I COUNTED THEM

the squares are 50 square miles, it says it in teh manual or the hint book i believe.
 
Squares

So that would mean to walk across a square would be about 7 miles. That is, if you walked in a line parellel with the square. If you walked diagonaly from one corner to another it would be 10 miles. Still shouldn't take a day to cross. Unless your character is searching for food and water along the way. See, it was implemented all along.

Skie
 
RE: Squares

so you walk for 3 hours and then search for food and water for 15! hours!? That's ridiculous! In that case, why do I leave with an inventory full of apples and arrive with just as many!? Even with the car and all enhancement 'cept the grav plates it still takes 5 hours! And from coast to coast, how big is america, cause I messured it on a map and the Fallout 2 map would fit on it 9 times. And if you can walk a distance between NCR and V15 in 9 hours, would you really need water!? Next time they better include an explanation of how the map works. Oh, And I NEVER read anything about a square being 50m2. We must have TOTALLY different manuals!
Ah, forget it.
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I know it was carelessness on my part, thats what I get for playing past my bedtime. Just curious how many others have been caught by Quick Save and Quick Load being next to each other. I'd like ability to be able to remap Hotkeys. Did I miss it in 2? At least have them at F5 & F8 instead.
 
RE: Squares

Characters could be navigating around terrain. Getting lost, going in circles, and other things. I would think they would go extremely slow with a low outdoorsman, but I don't think outdoorsman affects your overall outdoor speed.

<< Why do I leave with an inventory full of apples and arrive with just as many!? >>

Because you didn't micromanage eating them.

<< Even with the car and all enhancement 'cept the grav plates it still takes 5 hours! >>

5 hours to travel across a square?

<< And from coast to coast, how big is america, cause I messured it on a map and the Fallout 2 map would fit on it 9 times. >>

Ok, so nine Fallout 2 maps are the size of the continental US. What point are you trying to make? Should it be more or less? Are you guessing at the size of the Fallout 2 map? or did you measure its size off an actual map of CA and OR.

<<And if you can walk a distance between NCR and V15 in 9 hours, would you really need water!? >>

In a desert? Most likely.

<< Oh, And I NEVER read anything about a square being 50m2. >>

I wasn't the one who said this. Next time, reply to the person who makes the statement.

Skie
 
RE: Squares

yo will chill. you always sound like your angry or holier than thou when typing maybe you should take a more laid back attitude, smoke some weed or something.
 
Size of the squares.

I measured from the CA/OR border straight down to San Francisco. It was around 280 miles. That would make the squares 10 acres (100 miles squared).

To travel 10 miles (walking) it takes 25.5 hours. To travel the same distance by car, it takes 6.5 hours. I don't remember over what type of terrain. Still, it's not exactly fast traveling.

I'm assuming it was a play balance issue (for the timed waterchip quest) that carried over from FO1.

Consider it another unrealistic element to the game.

Skie
 
Oh yeah. Once, I hit both buttons by accident (finger hit in between them and pressed 'em both) and it corrupted my save data somehow! That REALLY pissed me off.


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One reason for for the long travel times:
You're forgetting that the majority of roads/etc have been destroyed and the groudn is far from even with mountains 'n stuff, and it realy would take much longer to travel if its been 160 years and 1 nuclear holocost since the last road paving project. oh and talking about apples: maybe he ate them all in the middle of the trip, then found some more? :)
 
RE: Squares

Kid, you wouldn't believe how much weed I smoke, It's legal in Hollan you know?

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RE: Squares

>Characters could be navigating around terrain.
> Getting lost, going in
>circles, and other things.

Oh, then why use a map huh?

>I would think they would
>go extremely slow with a
>low outdoorsman, but I don't
>think outdoorsman affects your overall
>outdoor speed.

But not as much as a differce from crossing a square from 18 to as much as 8 hours. (I know you didn't say that)

<< Why do I leave with an inventory full of apples and arrive with just as many!? >>

>Because you didn't micromanage eating them.

It is illogical to look for food when you have it. About micromanaging, tell me, how where you gonna do that? Put the motherfuckers in an active item slot (Now look, I'm getting a jumped about apples.)

<< Even with the car and all enhancement 'cept the grav plates it still takes 5 hours! >>

>5 hours to travel across a
>square?

5 hours, yes, 4 with 300 outdoorsmanskill (edited)

<< And from coast to coast, how big is america, cause I messured it on a map and the Fallout 2 map would fit on it 9 times. >>

>Ok, so nine Fallout 2 maps
>are the size of the
>continental US. What point
>are you trying to make?

I mean that the distance from Arroyo to New York is nine times the distance from Arroyo to Vault City, that would make the map about 300 to 400 miles on 28 squares, would make the squares approx. 10x10 to 13x13, walking in a straight line through it would afterall take 5 to 6 hours, not 18, even if you double that in order to get food thats illogical.

> Should it be more
>or less? Are you
>guessing at the size of
>the Fallout 2 map? or
>did you measure its size
>off an actual map of
>CA and OR.

I looked on a map and put the Fallout 1 and 2 maps over an original map of California with the computer. Reno, San Francisco and LA as reference points. So that gave me a pretty good image of how big the maps were, a part of the Fo2 map was in Nevada. But that doesn't really matter here.

<<And if you can walk a distance between NCR and V15 in 9 hours, would you really need water!? >>

>In a desert? Most likely.

A human can go active without water for about half a day. lying down or sitting in a car 1,5.

<< Oh, And I NEVER read anything about a square being 50m2. >>

>I wasn't the one who said
>this. Next time, reply
>to the person who makes
>the statement.

Sure, but posting another message for that would have been wasting time, I usually post one message underneath the newest message with the same subject. But take a look, I changed it, temporarily just for you. Boy am I glad I get to take a vacation, that reminds me, any hatemail or replies have to be in in 36 hours or it's to late, then you'l have to wait for me 3 weeks. (Even though I am confident that this topic still will be on this part of the board, since the way I see it NMA is bleeding dry.)

William, easily annoyed and overly bitchy, again, today.

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Ah fuck it
 
RE: Size of the squares.

Right, I tested it between v13 and NCR, 18 hours on foot 5 in the car. It's not logical, but is annoying once you figured it out.

Don't take to much offense from earlier replies, I couldn't find my stash.
 
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