A new form of Mall rats?

welsh

Junkmaster
Looks like the terrorists are hitting America where it hurts- shopping malls. If Americans are to buy their way out of recessions (never mind that we've lost the technological edge in goods and have record trade deficits for 5 straight months)- it is by shopping.

What do you think? Disturbing? Would this really work? How do you see this as changing the war on terrorism? Should this have been expected?

Or was this a Homeland Security fuck up?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040615/ap_on_re_us/shopping_mall_plot_24

Feds Call Threat to Ohio Malls 'Thwarted'

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By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio - U.S. authorities are confident a terrorist plot to bomb a central Ohio shopping mall has been foiled, a top homeland security official said Tuesday.

An indictment has accused Somali native Nuradin Abdi of conspiring with an admitted al-Qaida member and others to bomb the mall in the Columbus area. Abdi has been taken into custody in a federal prison in Columbus.

On Tuesday morning, Homeland Security Department Undersecretary Asa Hutchinson declined to say how far the plot progressed. But he told NBC's "Today" show that "overt steps" were taken to support terrorist activities.

Hutchinson said federal officials believe the plot has been "completely thwarted" and that no threat remains to shopping malls in Ohio.

Abdi's family has maintained his innocence.

Just months after the government granted Abdi asylum, however, federal authorities say he was plotting to blow up one of the malls, exactly the type of target some feared would be next on terrorists' lists. Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) said charges revealed Monday against Abdi serve as a reminder that al-Qaida is determined "to hit the United States and hit us hard."

But Abdi's family says he is a man who hates terrorists.

Abdi, who operated a small cell phone business, loved his new freedoms and never spoke out against the U.S. government, said his brother Mohamed AbdiKarani, 17. Abdi has a son and daughter and his wife is pregnant.

"He loved it here. He never had as much freedom. He said it's good to raise his kids here," AbdiKarani said. "He really hated terrorists. You know how (President) Bush hates terrorists? I think he hates them more."

Abdi is accused of conspiring with convicted al-Qaida operative Iyman Faris — a former Columbus truck driver who sought to sabotage the Brooklyn Bridge — to bomb a mall in the area, though the FBI (news - web sites) said no specific mall was targeted.

Abdi, 32, was arrested at his apartment Nov. 28, the day after Thanksgiving when malls across America were crowded with shoppers. He was held at first on immigration violations, authorities said.

Charges in the four-count indictment include providing material support to al-Qaida, conspiracy to provide material support and document fraud. If convicted on all charges, Abdi could be sentenced to up to 80 years in prison and fined $1 million.

The FBI has warned al-Qaida might shift away from trying to hit tightly guarded installations, such as government buildings or nuclear plants, to more vulnerable targets such as malls, apartment buildings or hotels.

Court papers filed by the government allege that a plot dated to March 2000 when Abdi returned from a terrorist training camp in Ethiopia to join Faris in Columbus.

Faris, originally from Kashmir (news - web sites), is serving a 20-year sentence after pleading guilty last June to plotting to sever cables supporting the Brooklyn Bridge and to derail trains in New York or Washington. Neither of those plots came to fruition.

AbdiKarani said Abdi was friends with Faris because they attended the same mosque. Columbus is home to more than 30,000 Somalis, the second-largest Somali community in the United States, after Minneapolis.

Abdi, his feet and hands shackled, appeared distracted during a hearing Monday before a federal magistrate. He alternately twisted around in his chair and smiled at spectators and U.S. marshals, then stared at the table in front of him. He placed his forehead on the table as the magistrate read him his rights.

Abdi's mother, Nadifa Hassan, expressed concern about her son's health, saying he was withdrawn when she visited him in jail about a month ago. She said she heard her son likely would be deported.

"He's very sick," she said through a translator while surrounded by friends at Columbus' Somali Community Association. "When I saw him last time he wasn't talking at all. I feel pain inside, the way he looked like that."

"I know my son, that he's not a terrorist," she said.

According to U.S. immigration records, Abdi first entered the United States in 1995, lived for a time in Canada, and then returned to the United States in August 1997. Abdi was granted asylum in America as a refugee in January 1999 after giving false information to immigration officials, the government charges.

Later that year, he used that refugee status to apply for a travel document by falsely claiming he was planning to visit Germany and the Muslim holy city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia.

In fact, prosecutors say, Abdi used the document to travel to Ethiopia to obtain "military-style training in preparation for violent jihad." The training included guns, guerrilla warfare, bombs and radio usage.

Jamilla Hassan, 39, a cousin of Abdi's, said she hopes the charges are a mistake. Abdi was like any immigrant who escaped the clan-based war in Somalia looking for a better life, Hassan said.

"He was another good American," she said.
 
I thought this thread would be about a sequel to 'Mallrats'.

tl;dr
 
Hey it is "abdi"
"Abdi you need to turn the radio off"
What movie?

I dunno will just have to wait and see the evidence.
 
WARNING! CONSPIRACY THEORY!
This could be some sort of scare used by the US, just to remind the public that they have to keep 'em fighting in order to defend mom's apple pie and all that american traditional set of values or whatever. The point is that the people tend to forget that they have an enemy unless they are periodically reminded of it, either by a direct attack, or by the foiling of a terrorist plot. The state of fear must be fueled. The result: find a scape goat, burn him at the stake and say you have saved the day. As for the economical problem: it's a war out there, it's only normal for such problems to surface.
 
So do you want to know what happens when we stop fighting? events like 9/11 happen, our enemy is real not just made up to scare us into submission.

or have you forgotten 9/11, as most americans have. i personally remember vividly watching people pile out of windows, bodys being drug out of the wreckage, i remember fire fighters running to the towers never to return home to their families, i remember and ill never forget.
america has a common enemy, one that we have let openly into our homeland with our lacking immigration policy and ultra liberal tolerance for all.
 
I can consume just as much sitting at home here in my chair. Malls suck so I can just order everything online.
 
Time for a shitty joke. Now that you mention mom's apple pie, c0ldst33ltrs4u, I wonder how did you find out that mom's pie tastes like apple.
 
COLUMBUS, Ohio - U.S. authorities are confident a terrorist plot to bomb a central Ohio shopping mall has been foiled, a top homeland security official said Tuesday.

An indictment has accused Somali native Nuradin Abdi of conspiring with an admitted al-Qaida member and others to bomb the mall in the Columbus area. Abdi has been taken into custody in a federal prison in Columbus.

And the rest of the country asks why they "stopped" them. There was no harm in a little clinical depopulation there in Ohio. The US needed those New Yorkers, however.

Give 'em a chance next time, please! :twisted:
 
bob_the_rambler said:
america has a common enemy, one that we have let openly into our homeland with our lacking immigration policy and ultra liberal tolerance for all.
Huh? Let me get this straight... you honestly claim that USA suffered a terrorist attack because it's too liberal and unrestrictive in its immigration laws? Reality check - USA needs its immigrants to sustain economic growth. And how exactly would turning America into an isolated totalitarian dictatorship (which you are blatantly suggesting) remove the cause of the terrorism (i.e. the fact that Islamese extremists perceive American imperialist tendecies as a threat to their way of life)? When you are building an empire, you are bound to make external enemies, and an isolation accompanied by introduction of a totalitarian system won't make the external threat any less dangerous, it'll just send your economy further down the shitter and cause massive internal dissent (though I'm not sure about the latter - when it comes to political assaults against democracy, Americans demonstrate such a tremendous amount of blind conformism that it's disgusting).

And for your information, September 11 attacks could have been anticipated and prevented if your central intelligence agency wasn't a bloated and disfunctional colossus which couldn't detect and counter terrorists even if they moved in and shit in its back yard. And no, replacing it with an even more bloated and disfunctional colossus (Ministry of Homeland Security) doesn't make USA considerably more safe and information-aware (how I hate that term, it rings totalitarism), it just provides a fine example on how to violate basic democratic principles and set your country on a fast track to fascism.
 
I would add that it's partly the immigration policy and liberal policies that have kept terrorism out of the US before 9/11, and that the 9/11 terrorists were not, to my knowledge, indigenous american muslims but foreign born muslims who had been radicalized before coming to the US.

In fact one of the reasons why there was so little muslim terrorism in the US, as compared to some parts of Europe, was that generally Muslims could exercise their faith as they wished and pursue careers and economic advancement in ways that they might not in other places.

Most muslims would look at terrorism in the US as foolish- why do it when so many Muslims in the US are doing so well?

The trick to winning terrorism is not by being repressive, but by making the act of terrorism itself illegitimate and a sign of despotism. The more you respond to terrrorism through repression, the more the state becomes the terrorist, and the more acts of terrorism, as resistance, become legitimate.
 
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