ACTA - Sounds great ? New laws for the Internet

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I think this forum has many people posting from Europe so this might be a very important topic. But since there seem to be as well some non-European nations involved as well I think it might be interesting for anyone outside of Europe as well. I am speaking about

    ACTA: The new threat to the net


    To say this. As artist I do agree that some protection is needed. But I am not sure if the new laws are really helpfull here. I actually think that they only hurt usual artists from how I understand it.

    Though one can vote against ACTA here:

    ACTA: The new threat to the net
  2. TheWesDude

    TheWesDude Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 25, 2005
    i cannot find what exactly the provisions of it do and its a little long to sit and read for half an hour.

    even for sopa/pipa there were people who wrote lists of what it did/changed. cannot find anything like that for this.

    all i see are people saying what results would be if it was enacted. i want to know what the provisions allow.
  3. Sub-Human

    Sub-Human -

    May 31, 2011
    OK. In other words, this won't pass. Are people really stupid? Is this shit made just to irritate everyone?
  4. donperkan

    donperkan Vault Fossil

    Aug 4, 2011
    tl;dr that was the whole point.

    I think anti-sopa/pipa campaign was succsessful becuse folks, smarter then me, dissected those laws and presented them in an understandable way. People could actualy see in what way diferent provisions would affect their lives.

    I feel uncomfortable admitting that i know more about sopa then acta but i have faith that people will see trough this attempt of controle.

    Atleast i can be grateful that this decision is not to be made by my stupid politicians, those guys would just make things worse.
  5. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    And that is what makes it pretty dangerous in my eyes. I am not naive to say that. Lobbies have a huge power in our politics regardless if we talk about Europe or the US it does not matter. But at least there are usually democractic processes involved somewhere. Here it seems like even the people in the parliament did not knew exactly "what" happens with that law not to mention that it is very complex.

    I am all for protecting peoples property. But it should at least follow the principles of a democracy and how laws are created. Again. I am not naive (pizza is vegetable now huh ?) many laws or definitions are pushed trough by lobbiests. But still. This here is going to far in my eyes.

    I wish I could give you more accurate informations. But as you can see. That is part of the problem. No one really knows something for sure. And yet ... the law will affect all of us eventually. Does not sound like a healthy combination in my eyes.
  6. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2004
    This might be a bit off topic but, anyone noticed how all these internet laws have spanish names? ACTA, PIPA, SOPA. I find it rather funny. (they mean "record" "pipe" and "soup" in that order)

    Also, an idea. If these big companies have so much power and affect the lives of so many people, shouldn't we be able to vote our representatives in them? I mean, either we should or they should not be allowed to have so much power, otherwise wouldn't it be antidemocratic? I say this because they seem to have a lot of power for lobbying governments into always making laws in their favor and in detriment of the common people. Just saying.

    So either the common folk should have a say on how they rule their companies or the government should be able to restrict their power rather than give them more. Wich one do you think is more viable?

    And for those saying "if you do nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about" I say you really must have a LOT of trust in the government and in these companies that they wont abuse their power to restrict your freedoms. And call me paranoid but I think such amount of trust, especially in this moment of history, would be rather naive.

    Imagine what would have happened in Egypt if the Egyptian government would have had the power to shut down any site they pleased.
  7. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
  8. TheWesDude

    TheWesDude Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 25, 2005
    all that talks about is a study people are doing.
  9. GreyViper

    GreyViper Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Jul 2, 2004
    Our dear government wanted to stealth approve it, but fortunately the was public outcry about that. Still time will tell how this turns out since certain people are adamant to push this through.
  10. ZeusComplex

    ZeusComplex Still Mildly Glowing

    Feb 12, 2010
    My only hope with all these anti-internet bills, the people can constantly protest them away, while at the same time informing the higher ups on the inner workings of the net.

    Maybe then, laws can be passed that are reasonable and step on as few toes as possible as well as protecting creator's products from being stolen.
  11. TheWesDude

    TheWesDude Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 25, 2005
    i found an article somewhere that went over the "myths" of ACTA. and showed the verbiage as to why they are myths.

    ACTA does not REQUIRE packet level inspection.

    ACTA does not REQUIRE internet blocks.

    it is very generically worded on what terms mean, and the enforcement part.

    does it require things like stated in the video? no. but it doesnt prohibit it either. and yes, the local government could order ISPs to the packet level inspection, but they also allow for such lax measures as a website to report violating websites.

    the devil is in the details, and that is what makes ACTA so bad. it is bad because it has no details.
  12. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    yes, it is very complex, not really well explained and the decisions for it happened behind closed doors (in a very undemocratic way).

    I mean hell. Even if it be not that negative it still should not happen because that law simply stinks for "lobbying".

    A rather small group which wants to push this trough. Though even they will not have that great benefits from it. As the law will effect everyone.

    Still the final decisions here in europe are yet not made.
  13. the_cpl

    the_cpl Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Aug 9, 2009
    I heard the EU stopped the ACTA for now and they put it back for future investigation or something. It must be really bad, if even the EU is confused about it.

    It's not even funny how people said NO for the PIPA/SOPA, and how the system came out of the closet with their new ACTA thing. What if people say no for the ACTA? They make another one and another one? ACTA/PIPA/SOPA/SUCKA/MADA/FAKA. F' em...

  14. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    They most likely will, same with what happens to SOPA. The wording will be a bit different each time, but in its core it's still the same.
  15. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    MADA/FACKA would be even something I would almost vote for. Almost.
  16. smilodom

    smilodom Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Apr 17, 2008
  17. the_cpl

    the_cpl Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Aug 9, 2009
    Sounds almost INBRED. So the MADA/FAKA was not a bad guess.

    I never heard of this IPRED thing, but like I said, they keep pushing these new things, until one goes through the system. :(