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If nuclear weapons aren't so dangerous, How do you explain the Gulf war/Balkan Syndrome?
To all that usually stand against Xotor on things like this:
Hey guys, I think I finally got him. Just like I put a very big hole in Yamu's theories. :) j/k

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[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jan-17-01 AT 05:34PM (GMT)[p]Please post it on the right board.
I think that Xotor ment this:
Nuclear weapons will not destroy all life on earth but they will leave radioation.
The radioation is also not that dangerous after a couple off years.

Though in Japan there is an unknown amount off pepole that have died off canser after the bombing.

<Hey guys, I think I finally got him. Just like I put a very big hole in Yamu's theories. j/k> I hope this does not turn into a contest.
U have not gotten Xotor so i recomend u to get as much information that u can on the subject, get some allies.
And prepare for a veeeery long fight.
 
I see a few holes in his theories. He said that you could remove the top layer of topsoil to have unradiated farmland. I say "where the hell will you put all the dirt that would result in digging up the topsoil of the entire United States farmland!"nd how could a crippled government manage such a task? It's probably hard as hell just to communicate after the war with all the damage the EMP blasts would have caused to the electrical and communications systems!
 
Before Xotor, normal people were interpreting Bible... :-)

Digging the topsoil - remove the soil, what will happen to the agriculture? Agriculture is out of the game, because one fallout could be enough to kill the seeds in the ground (I wouldn't believe that ALL fallout particles stay on the top, that's impossible). OTOH, fallout patterns are very unpredictable (one of the reasons super-computers were developed is to calculate weather patterns), so there could be pockets (highly prized for their relative fertility) that weren't affected. That's why having conserved food is so important - even a plastic bag (germetically sealed, of course) will lie under fallout, you can pull out the wrapper (with every precaution possible) and safely eat what's inside.

EMP warheads - military systems are more or less shielded against such weapons. They could provide a backbone for after-war communication systems.




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Wouldn't military communication buildings be prime targets for nukes?
 
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jan-18-01 AT 03:01AM (GMT)[p]Not necessarily. High-concentration clusters will be, of course, obliterated, but wasting a nuke for, say, small satellite comm station somewhere in Arizona is very wasteful (unless MIRV with old kiloton-yield warheads is used, but MIRV, as I said, is banned for use). I had a list of measures recommended for protection against EMP, and as far as I remember, they can be used to shield a single computer.

So one way or another, there will not be a 100% destruction of comm network. It will provide access to satellite network, from which there could be contact with, I don't know, satellite-recepting equipment from conservated facilities, like Sierra Army Depot. When properly used, it will help militaries get communication up and running. In theory. Cough.

P.S: It's all a game of guesses based on non-classified information. We can assume, but we can't know for sure.




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I just heard on the news that impurities of - quote - "highly toxic plutonium" may be located in some DU munition.




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where are we going ?

Haha ! this board became "nuclear : safe and danger". And no more a FO3 one...
 
I don't know if they would enforce a ban on MIRV's in the middle of a nuclear war. And I just thought of something else. Couldn't satillites be targeted for destruction by nukes or missles?
 
sure, the nuclear missiles (not launch from a plane) go over the atmosphere... so they go in the near space. You can surely nuke a low satellite. Not a geostationary (is this the good english word?) at 36000km
 
Which poses another questions - how many nukes do you need to take out the entire military sat network? How many spy/comm satellites are there? Guesses, guesses...




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>If nuclear weapons aren't so dangerous,
>How do you explain the
>Gulf war/Balkan Syndrome?
>To all that usually stand against
>Xotor on things like this:

Gulf War Syndrome is a pseudo-mental "sickness," probably the byproduct of hypochondriac veterans who saw the results of the Vietnam veterans and their post-war syndromes and the news of Iraq chemical weapons to make themselves feel sick. I believe there is no

Depleted uranium slugs used for bullets are made of solid U238, the unfissionable byproduct of the extraction of U234 and U235 the uranium used in nuclear weapons and whatnot.

Why does depleted uranium pose a larger health concern than fallout particles after two weeks in a fallout shelter? Because they don't lose their radioactivity as quickly. The fallout particles lose their radioactivity rather quickly and after a few weeks it is usually safe to exit a fallout shelter. With depleted uranium shells, some of which are TEN POUNDS apiece, that radioactivity doesn't drop off as fast. Furthermore the radioactive material is in higher concentrations than say the fallout of a nuclear bomb.

Also, most of the people who suffered noticiably from "Gulf War Syndrome" were among the dead battlefields where Iraqi tanks and such were destroyed by those uranium shells, they were exposed to massive doses of radiation, much more than any fallout after two weeks.

>Hey guys, I think I finally
>got him. Just like I
>put a very big hole
>in Yamu's theories. :) j/k

Don't be so sure..

-Xotor-

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>Which poses another questions - how
>many nukes do you need
>to take out the entire
>military sat network? How many
>spy/comm satellites are there? Guesses,
>guesses...

You have to figure that communications would not be cut off by any nuclear attack. The network structure around the world is so great that nothing less than destroying every city on the planet could "down" it. That's why the internet, or rather ARAPAnet was conceived by the United States, to ensure that even in a nuclear war communications could not be broken. Now with the rest of the world on the net, communication cutoff will even be less of a threat.

As for spy satellites, I'm guessing there are probably hundreds over every nation on Earth. Since most are now electronic relay satellites they can stay in orbit practically forever. Even Israel has some.

-Xotor-

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OK, thanks Xotor. I got my answers. Almost, what about the italian soldiers that died from leucemia(?) in Bosnia. How do you explain that? And I never questioned your theorys about nuclear weapons I just wanted to hear what you thought about the Gulf War syndrome.

<<>Hey guys, I think I finally
>got him. Just like I
>put a very big hole
>in Yamu's theories. j/k

Don't be so sure..>>

Didn't you see the smiley and the j/k?

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Actually, I think a man-made, super-virulent plague might be an easier way to wipe out humanity, now that I think of it. There aren't many counter-measures against that. Think of massive amounts of some strain of Ebola being released all over the U.S.A. I think it would be much more likely to kill us off than nukes, unless we come up with a vaccine, and quick.
 
Hehehe, they're still looking for a vaccine for "mad cow disease" which was spotted few years ago...




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I remember in seventh grade, when my rather insane biology teacher told us, in graphic detail, what mad cow disease does to the brain. I didn't eat beef for three months!
 
>Hehehe, they're still looking for a
>vaccine for "mad cow disease"
>which was spotted few years
>ago...

Imagine trying to kill off the human race with the Mad Cow Disease.. doesn't it take something like ten years before a person feels the effects?

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>Actually, I think a man-made, super-virulent
>plague might be an easier
>way to wipe out humanity,
>now that I think of
>it. There aren't many counter-measures
>against that. Think of massive
>amounts of some strain of
>Ebola being released all over
>the U.S.A. I think it
>would be much more likely
>to kill us off than
>nukes, unless we come up
>with a vaccine, and quick.

Yeah, Russia has a lot of bio-bombs that contain viruses like super-engineered Small Pox, ebola, and other viruses that there aren't vaccines against. I guess the strategy would be to dump those as a cocktail into a major city.

However a disease has to spread *fast* and kill *quickly* before there's a real epidemic. I mean AIDS is 100% deadly but takes a long time to actually kill the individual (or let them be killed by other diseases), however they say that the world has already lost Africa to the AIDS epidemic..

I don't know if there are really any diseases that could wipe out the human race. The plagues and diseases of the past were widespread and deadly mostly for the fact that the conditions people lived in at the time allowed for it. Things were overall "dirty" back then. All the medicine in the world even now has not been as effective as simply raising the standard of living by improving sanitary conditions.

The virus would have to be airborn, quickly spreadable, and very deadly so that no vaccine could be made quickly.

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>OK, thanks Xotor. I got my
>answers. Almost, what about the
>italian soldiers that died from
>leucemia(?) in Bosnia. How do
>you explain that?

In addition to depleted uranium shells having very high concentrations of radioactive material, when a U238 shell hits its target, it becomes searing hot, effectively melting the armor as the incredible mass of the shell penetrates the armor. That burning uranium results in very fine radioactive particles to enter the air. And because these are the pure radioactive particles themselves, not just some radiated dirt, they're more deadly and stay radioactive longer.

I also expect that these italian soldiers were probably sticking around for quite a while right? Probably close to the radioactive bullets and shells that are scattered about. I doubt anyone has made it their job to pick up the bullets, correct? So more exposure, the more damage, especially considering these bullets don't lose their radiation as quickly as, say, radiated dirt from a ground-impacting nuclear bomb (airbursts produce little noticable fallout).

>And I
>never questioned your theorys about
>nuclear weapons I just wanted
>to hear what you thought
>about the Gulf War syndrome.

The thing you have to remember is that there are higher concentration of radioactive materials laying around than what you get from a fallout. Also, the radioactivity doesn't fallout off as quickly as it does from a fallout (after two weeks it is usually safe to exit a fallout shelter).

><<>Hey guys, I think I finally
>>got him. Just like I
>>put a very big hole
>>in Yamu's theories. j/k
>
>Don't be so sure..>>
>
>Didn't you see the smiley and
>the j/k?

Well it's just kind of funny how people seem to make it their goal to "top" me...

-Xotor-

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