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First time out of the vault
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In New Vegas several NPCs make comments to the effect that homosexuality is not only endemic but permissible in Caesar's Legion:
This impression, though widespread, is contradicted by an actual direct witness to Legion life:
Personally I always found this a little disappointing. It poses no challenges to the player's modern liberal worldview. It fits a little too easily into our moral preconceptions (Legion = homophobes = bad). Would've been more interesting IMO if the only place in the Mojave where same-sex relationships were fully valued/accepted was with the 'bad guys'. Would've humanised the Legion as well. Imagine you kill a Legionary and his BF goes berserk with grief and rage![Sad :( :(](/../../xencustomimages/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
On a worldbuilding level there's certainly historical precedent for martial societies tolerating or encouraging homosexuality. Any reader of Plutarch's Lives or the Hagakure has some familiarity with this. In a famous passage from Plato's Symposium, one of the speakers, Pausanias, waxes lyrical about the hypothetical virtues of an army composed of male lovers:
Maybe I just want this because I always found the Legion scouts in their shorts cute..
Major Knight: Oddly enough, Legion's a little more forgiving about... friendships.
Cass: Guess you've got a Legion outlook on things. [Confirmed Bachelor speech check]
Veronica: I hear they mount their soldiers as much as they mount their women, so maybe they did keep a little something from the Empire.
Cass: Guess you've got a Legion outlook on things. [Confirmed Bachelor speech check]
Veronica: I hear they mount their soldiers as much as they mount their women, so maybe they did keep a little something from the Empire.
This impression, though widespread, is contradicted by an actual direct witness to Legion life:
Jimmy: A Centurion there chose me as his tent servant. He was handsome, and gentle, most of the time. Said it was our secret, and he'd protect me. Gave me little gifts, stupid things. But Caesar punishes homosexuality with death, and we nearly got caught, and there were suspicions. So when he took me out into the desert... Well, I knew he was going to get rid of me.
Personally I always found this a little disappointing. It poses no challenges to the player's modern liberal worldview. It fits a little too easily into our moral preconceptions (Legion = homophobes = bad). Would've been more interesting IMO if the only place in the Mojave where same-sex relationships were fully valued/accepted was with the 'bad guys'. Would've humanised the Legion as well. Imagine you kill a Legionary and his BF goes berserk with grief and rage
![Sad :( :(](/../../xencustomimages/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
On a worldbuilding level there's certainly historical precedent for martial societies tolerating or encouraging homosexuality. Any reader of Plutarch's Lives or the Hagakure has some familiarity with this. In a famous passage from Plato's Symposium, one of the speakers, Pausanias, waxes lyrical about the hypothetical virtues of an army composed of male lovers:
And if there were only some way of contriving that a state or an army should be made up of lovers and their loves, they would be the very best governors of their own city, abstaining from all dishonour, and emulating one another in honour; and when fighting at each other's side, although a mere handful, they would overcome the world. For what lover would not choose rather to be seen by all mankind than by his beloved, either when abandoning his post or throwing away his arms? He would be ready to die a thousand deaths rather than endure this. Or who would desert his beloved or fail him in the hour of danger? The veriest coward would become an inspired hero, equal to the bravest, at such a time; Love would inspire him. That courage which, as Homer says, the god breathes into the souls of some heroes, Love of his own nature infuses into the lover.
(Plato's Symposium, translated by Benjamin Jowett)
Would've been funny if the first time homos became acceptable in Fallout's America was because some Romaboo got too much power(Plato's Symposium, translated by Benjamin Jowett)
Maybe I just want this because I always found the Legion scouts in their shorts cute..