child porn

welsh

Junkmaster
Didn't we have a thread on this?

Ok, update-
Supreme Court debates online smut law
Tuesday, March 2, 2004 Posted: 7:11 PM EST (0011 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A lawyer for the Bush administration argued Tuesday that the U.S. Supreme Court should uphold a law that protects children from Internet pornography.

The case pits the free speech rights of adults against the power of Congress to control Internet commerce.

Solicitor General Theodore Olson told the justices that indecent material is "persistent and unavoidable" and causes "substantial psychological and physiological damage on children."

To illustrate his point, Olson said he went on his home computer over the weekend, typed in "free porn" on a search engine and 6 million Web sites popped up.

"And the numbers are growing exponentially," he said.

The government hopes the third time is the charm for federal efforts to protect minors from sexually explicit material on the Web.

The court struck down a 1996 law the year after it passed Congress and later stopped its replacement, the 1998 Child Online Protection Act, or COPA, from going into effect.

Now the court is taking a second look at whether COPA represents government censorship or the lawful regulation of adult-themed businesses.

The American Civil Liberties Union and other groups immediately filed suit, claiming the law violates the First Amendment by criminalizing free speech.

A federal judge in Philadelphia issued a preliminary injunction, preventing the law from being enforced while the case was under way.

The act, passed by Congress in October 1998 and signed into law by President Clinton, would ban making "any communication for commercial purposes that is available to any minor and that includes any material that is harmful to minors."

To deal with First Amendment concerns that the law would be too narrow, the bill's authors defined "harmful material" based on "contemporary community standards."

The bill would prevent commercial content providers from posting free or unrestricted indecent material on the Internet that children could easily access.

Web sites would have to set up credit card verification or age identification checks to ensure children would be restricted from viewing or downloading pornographic material.

Maximum punishments would be six months in jail or $50,000 in fines.

ACLU lawyer Ann Beeson told the court that COPA was a "criminal statute that violates a whole range of protected speech."

She claimed it was an ineffective tool to keep children from objectionable material.

"Although the government claims the censorship law is necessary to protect minors, it has not even used all of the tools currently available to protect them from sexually explicit content," Beeson said.

The ACLU represents online businesses, artists and writers who offer sometimes graphic material, including sexual health information and advice.

Beeson said if a person operates a Web site on improving lovemaking for couples or about the HBO television series "Sex and the City," "You're going to be very worried."

At least one member of the court seemed to offer some support.

"This law seems to me to be very sweeping," said Justice Anthony Kennedy.

Other justices said the government has some power to limit access to indecent material.

"The way to do it is zoning," said Justice Stephen Breyer, using his term for technological screening tools, or blinders. "Congress says that's the solution. If that's not the solution, what is?"

Both sides agreed children can easily, if unwittingly, get access to smut online. At issue is who should bear the financial and psychological burden of setting up effective barriers: Web companies or parents?

Beeson said costly and time-consuming adults-only requirements would repel consumers and that other services, such as filtering software, are more effective and less intrusive.

Olson argued technologically savvy children can easily get around such devices, which parents can buy and install on their personal computers.

A ruling in the case is expected by late June.

The case is Ashcroft v. ACLU (03-0218)
 
What I would like to know is if there are any scientific studies which actually proves that children really get "substantial psychological and physiological damage" by viewing sexual content... Wait a minute "physiological damage"? What the heck do they mean with that? :scratch:

And as usual, I find it stupid that the courts have to deal with this. It should always be the parents responsibility to have a damn clue about what their children are up to, IMHO anyway.
 
Daemon Spawn said:
Why is there a debate on this (if there is one)?

I think everyone agrees child porn is bad, and offenders should be beaten.

Read the post... I think that welsh just chose that topic as an attention getter.

Edit: Damn you... you... you... spawn of a daemon! deleting posts... pshhh... :lol:
 
Well you don't want someone immature and irresponsible to be influenced that sex is just gosh darn harmless because then you have to deal with doing the abortion or rising a child.

But since teen pregnancy is record-low and sex permeates our culture and free porno is easily accessible from Internet, I don't see that as a problem.
 
Bah. "Psychological damage" my ass. Look at Japan. People making porn can hardly keep up with the sick and disgusting crap the Japanese want to see. And most of this stuff is readily available to kids over there. Yet, on average, they're some of the most intelligent people in the world :-/

And I'd like to know what "physiological damage" occurs as well. Friction burns?
 
Here in Utah a kid at one of the local colleges got busted for downloading child porn at school. They put his picture on the TV and made him look like a child molestor. I really felt bad for him because he was prob. just messin' around looking fer some porn and got a little intrigued.

Don't see how this poor kid and others get busted and the people who are running the sites manage to slip by. Life sucks.
 
The thread is about children looking at porn, not child porn. Maybe you should read what we're talking about. I'll excuse your ignorance. :mrgreen:

That's an interesting prediciment that guy got into, though. A friend of mine had an accidental run-in with child porn not too long ago, but luckily nothing bad has happened. I won't get into it, though.
 
What's weird is I actually read the post, but some somehow I
naturally just started talking about the thing above. What the hell? Sorry.
 
[sarcasm]I think we can all learn a lot from the cultural watchdogs of America: That sex (An pron by extension) is an evil and unatural act, and that anyone under 21 should be shielded from the knowledge of it's existence.[/sarcasm]
 
Oh, I get it! This is a discussion about child porn! And I thought, uh... never mind.
 
Actually, this is NOT a discussion about child porn. This is a discussion as to whether someone under the age of 18 should be allowed to view objectionable material on the internet. The idea to me is ludicrous. I don't feel comfortable putting my credit card # into any site that's not official. I would never put it into a porno site. Who knows if they are official or not?

And I don't see what's wrong with having free porn on the net. Just like TV, it should be the parent's responsibility to check on what their child does. I rather like porn, and I've seen if for a long time. If it wasn't for the net, then I could easily find older people who would buy it for me. The only diff is that, its free on the net. And because there's 1,000s of ways to do anything, monitoring sites would do nothing, because you can go on download programs and get pictures and videos just as easily as going to sites.
 
I think porn should be easily available to people so long as they've had a bit of sex education first. Masturbation is safer than sex when you're 13 or so?

I'd rather have free porn (like on kazaa or some shit) instead of the 'free' porn we have now on sites with a million pop-ups and some crappy pictures of plain looking girls.
 
welsh said:
To illustrate his point, Olson said he went on his home computer over the weekend, typed in "free porn" on a search engine and 6 million Web sites popped up.

I'll assume he used Google.

Okay, query "free porn" (WITHOUT QUOTATION MARKS). 6,230,000 results. That seems to be the query he used. Good job jackass, you just found all the websites that contain the word "free" and the word "porn".

Query ""free porn"" (with quotation marks). 2,600,000 results. Still, that's just websites that contain the phrase "free porn". That doesn't mean they actually offer free porn, much less child porn.

Query ""free child porn"". 30,100 results. Again, that doesn't mean each of those is a child porn site.

On the other hand, the smarter child porn proprietors are hardly blunt enough to type "free child porn" on their site, or even have a web site as such in the first place.

Relying on a search engine to prove this kind of thing is simply bullshit. Hooray for spin... :roll:
 
Slamak, I believe Olson tried to demonstrate how easily accessible free porn (free porn in general, not child porn) was to all computer users, including those not old enough to view it. So 6 million (okay, 2.6 million) results is probably quite accurate.
 
megatron said:
I think porn should be easily available to people so long as they've had a bit of sex education first. Masturbation is safer than sex when you're 13 or so?

I'd rather have free porn (like on kazaa or some shit) instead of the 'free' porn we have now on sites with a million pop-ups and some crappy pictures of plain looking girls.

You need better sites. I know some with no pops, and great girls.
 
Better yet: PM or b&

And the idea they believe in is not that sex is unnatural act, but rather that "sex + children = eww = ban!!!"
 
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