Chinese spy ring in Canada.

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http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/17/china050617.html

Check the video as well.

Rather interesting.

So, what does this show?

CSIS is pathetic? Well, that's not news. All they know is getting drunk and buy private condos with public money.

Chinese spies operates around the world using triad and immigration connections? That's not news either. The triads have long been exchanging political favors for a little patrotic acts.

Amusing indeed.
 
LOL i lived in canada for about 7 years, I do not understand why we need chinese spies here of all the sudden. It's not like our parliament or P.M. hides anything. Hell, our last one, drove drunk in a convertable screaming his head off, nuff said.

Why don't we see this kinda stuff in US?

And btw, CSIS is useless (otherwise i'd be jailed for atleast 20,000 counts of piracy and copyright infrigiment).
 
Not that surprising that the Chinese would use triads to commit acts of espionage. The US did the same thing in Marseille to attack unions, used the Mafia in Sciliy during World War 2, supported the Shan Army's opium business in the Cold War....

What bothers me more is the use of Chinese spies as students who get jobs in the US, and then these moles gain access to US secrets.

Spying on Falun Gong? What for?
 
No idea.

I asked a few Chinese friends and they thought it's absurd as well.

Of course, business/political spying has been going on for a long time.

Chinese often uses long term moles to exploit secrets from other governments.

Of course, these things often backfire in the earlier days.

I've read enough reports of early Chinese spies who were supposed to get education in the outside world and try to get a few sympathizers to work for the Chinese, jump ship after living abroad.

Of course, they are better at it now.

They now offer better financial incentives(rather than trusting their brain washing techniques), and they have been using other tactics like threats against family members, pressures family members to use tear tactics, etc as well.

Who knows these days?
 
This has been pretty big in the serious Australian media. Has the story got much coverage in the US media? Within the space of a few days, quite a few people came forward with new evidence about China's spying on and alleged harassment of Falun Gong practitioners. I don't know what is so threatening about Falun Gong, but there appears to be strong evidence of the interference in people's lives and other countries affairs (some may see it the other way round).

Lateline has the most detailed coverage of this stuff that I know of. There are several interesting transcripts from interviews with defectors and others if you dig around their archives.

So far, the government is just giving Chen Yonglin a temporary protection visa because they don't want to cause diplomatic trouble. Of course our opposition party people are blaming the government for concentrating on terrorism and not addressing conventional security issues. Our intelligence organisations have always been pretty ineffective, which is why no one would give us nukes in the Cold War. This spate of defections is quite strange and if what they say is true, then large networks of Chinese informants are all around the Western world. If you have such a huge pool of information sources it seems credible that you might be tempted to get more juicy information, such as on businesses and technology, if not defence.
 
I've heard about it. It's all over the news.

Reminds me of a few things.

I don't quite recall, but I seem to remember a Chinese American nuclear scientist charged with spying for the Chinese. I believe he was on the project of the w-88 or something?

Lai Chun Shin(not sure of sp?) - infamous Chinese business tycoon, he managed to smuggled more than $1billion worth of petrol and goods into China with all the local some federal politicians' blessings. He currently resides in Vancouver, and he is appealing for his immigration status. There were some interesting news that came to light during his trial. Apparently, after learning that he escaped to Canada, a team of Chinese spies dug his brother out of prison, and flew over to Vancouver to try to get him to come back to China. Of course, he isn't that stupid. And somehow, somewhere someone leaked the info, thus making China rather embarrassed, and Canada a bit miffed and amused.
 
Strong evidence has come to light that some of these spys/informants go to my very own university.

And as for motivation for the great interest in Falun Gong, here is an explanation on Lateline by an expert in Chinese politics.

PROFESSOR GEREMIE BARME, AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL UNIVERSITY: The Chinese Government wants to use exemplary cases to show everybody else, "Don't get out of line, don't get organised, "don't create nation-wide movements, or we'll crush you."
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EDIT: Is double posting always to be avoided?

[url=http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/ said:
Lateline[/url]]
More claims of Chinese spying emerge
Former Canadian intelligence officer Michel Juneau-Katsuya says the emerging claims of Chinese defectors around the world are not unusual and says China's overseas networks of agents are extremely aggressive.
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http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2005/s1408571.htm

Chinese defector makes spying claims in Canada
In the wake of recent claims by two Chinese defectors in Australia of spying, the same phenomenon is happening in Canada. A former spy and prison camp administrator who defected to Canada in 2001 has just come out with his story of espionage and torture.
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http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2005/s1408570.htm

These stories of international intelligence networks, 'buying' the opposition, Chinese gulags and diplomatic machinations are scary and very interesting. It reminds me a bit of North Korean totalitarianism.
 
Well? Care to enlighten us as to why you bumped this thread?
 
Wooz said:
Well? Care to enlighten us as to why you bumped this thread?
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Because talking to yourself is always an enjoyable experience.

Why, oh why, did nobody reply?
;) Heh.
 
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