Discuss your thoughts about your end game.

T

The Kotex Kid

First time out of the vault
Peace be with you all...

It's taken me two weeks to beat FO2. A number of looong weekends were sacrificed so I could actually beat this game I bought almost seven years ago. Yea, I never truly beat it until just about seven minutes ago. I guess other stuff just kept cropping up.

So what I'd like to do in this thread is disucss how YOU felt once you were rewarded with the ramafications of all your subtle actions and the recourses of the way you touched all the towns and settlements across the wastes. Discuss this by recounting what ending each city got, and whether or not you were pleased with such.

Modoc and the Skags flourished and became a prosperous farming community - This gave me a warm fuzzy. I wanted nothing more than to deliver this community of honest, good people from their plight and suffering.

The Den, after I killed Metzger, thrived thanks to Becky's honest and fair bar and casino - Didn't really give a damn what happened to this hole since I got robbed blind by its bastard children. I wasn't able to really connect with anyone in this town.

Vault City stagnated due to it's isolationism and was slowly wrapped up by the NCR - While I would have liked to have seen VC suffer more than this after I assassinated Lynette, I feel justice was served. I really liked NCR and I believed in their cause, with Tandi's political savy and her common sense approach to civilization, I knew good things would come from there.

Gecko's fixed and opimized power plant noticed a surge in power. Vault City's failing power plant forced Vault City to invade Gecko and turn it into a forced labor camp, enslaving all the ghouls - I think I found an inconcistency in the endgame movies. I had received the 'Vault City was annexed by the NCR' ending, so how could Vault City take over anything? I just wrote this off as a scripting error and assumed that since NCR owned Vault City, it also owned Gecko.

Broken Hills ran out of uranium and everyone pretty much left town - Don't care.

Redding became a powerful mining community after I gave Dangerous Dan the excavator chip. He formed an alliance of convienence with the families of New Reno for protection - Yet another inconsitency. I killed all the families in New Reno accept the Wright family. However, my New Reno ending said that Mr. Bishop had a son who liked wandering the wastes (thats my boy!). I pretty much wrote this one off as another scripting error, since I never slept with Angela or Mrs. Bishop. Dirty whores...

I did seriously feel cheated when I was supposed to fight Frank Horrigan. I guess I set the Counter Insurgency option to ON before I should have, and instead of being able to talk to him, the moment I entered the main Enclave hallway, the turrets were already attacking him. Frank Horrigan was killed by fucking turrets and I didn't even get to fire a shot at him! Ugh...

Well, thats my legacy. I look forward to hearing about everyone elses and how they feel about it, and what they would have liked to have had happened. Now that I'm done with this game, I may just lose interest in this place all together, but hopefully that won't happen ;)
 
the annexation of Gekco prolly happened before NCR took VC. however, the end movie order should have been different, I suppose.

And just because you kill the family heads and all the people in the casino, doesn;t mean there aren;t other family memeber that will crawl out of the woodwork to take their place (but , you are probably right about a scripting error)

as for frank horrigan, usually most people will do the counter insurgency thing DURING the final battle, IIRC

anyways, it's not that hard to beat him up as long as you got help from the enclave soldiers in the adjacent room.
 
Rev. Layle said:
the annexation of Gekco prolly happened before NCR took VC. however, the end movie order should have been different, I suppose.

And just because you kill the family heads and all the people in the casino, doesn;t mean there aren;t other family memeber that will crawl out of the woodwork to take their place (but , you are probably right about a scripting error)

as for frank horrigan, usually most people will do the counter insurgency thing DURING the final battle, IIRC

anyways, it's not that hard to beat him up as long as you got help from the enclave soldiers in the adjacent room.
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Well, even if VC did absorb Gecko, the movie did state that it wasn't long after the destruction of the Enclave that NCR absorbed VC. So maybe the ghouls weren't slaves for very long.

I only killed the fmaily heads in New Reno because the Nearly Ultimate guide said I needed to do that so the Wright family would seize control and rule with a fairness. Thats what I wanted.
 
No no no... in his guide it said you would most likely kill the family's your not a made man of. In general the family your going for will have the highest rating. Killing a few thugs here and they in the other families is enough to get the wrights higher in the spectrum.

And vault city is an efficient democratic machine. As soon as you set foot on the enclave oil rig, they probably annexed gecko.
Probably a few months afterwards they were taken over by ncr.

Edit: Also because of NCR's anti-slavery opinion all the ghoul slaves would be "OK" and free to roam gecko again, not that any of this is in the end game, its just to make you feel better and all warm and fuzzy inside.
 
Argonnot said:
No no no... in his guide it said you would most likely kill the family's your not a made man of. In general the family your going for will have the highest rating. Killing a few thugs here and they in the other families is enough to get the wrights higher in the spectrum.

And vault city is an efficient democratic machine. As soon as you set foot on the enclave oil rig, they probably annexed gecko.
Probably a few months afterwards they were taken over by ncr.

Edit: Also because of NCR's anti-slavery opinion all the ghoul slaves would be "OK" and free to roam gecko again, not that any of this is in the end game, its just to make you feel better and all warm and fuzzy inside.
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Well, I didn't kill just a few thugs in each family, instead I killed the family heads, meaning the bosses Mr. Bishop, Salvatore, and Mordino. I'm pretty sure I made myself clear on that.

Secondly, Vault City is the furthest thing from a democracy. A 'First Citizen' who holds no votes on anything in the city, and can rebuke your citizenship screams dictatorship. I would also assume the same, that once NCR absorbed Vault City, VC and Gecko became NCR citizens, no longer slaves.

But lets please try to stay on track and discuss your thoughts of your endgame results!
 
The Vault City council supposedly has final say in any descisions of the city, the First Citizen does not have complete control in that aspect.
 
I dunno, My current endgame as its progressing is probably going to be bad, since I killed everything that moved.
 
Rev. Layle said:
The Vault City council supposedly has final say in any descisions of the city, the First Citizen does not have complete control in that aspect.
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What council? Theres McClure and Gregory, while Lynette has the ultimate say in what happens. This is made evident by Vault City's refusal to allow cooperation with Gecko. Councilman McClure at first only wanted to fix their leaky nuclear reactor so no one would get sick, but once he learned that they had optimized the plant he really expressed interest in trade and such.

Lynette however, is far too close minded and prejudice to even consider such a notion. Clearly Lynette is the dictator of Vault City.
 
I though that was great, how you try to do everything you can to save Gecko and more only to learn later on that your good intentions doomed them. It's just what happens in real life.
 
Well, when NCR annexes VC, ghouls are free! Yay!

Now I'm going through FO2 _again_ to ensure that history will move as I want it to (oh, and withpout having to kill every single family ('cept for Mordinos and Salvatores ;), I'm gonna assasinate their heads (Bishop SSD [Standard Stimpack death] and Wright kiddo, use that gun.)
 
Argonnot said:
I dunno, My current endgame as its progressing is probably going to be bad, since I killed everything that moved.
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Yeah, I tried that once. But after killing everybody in Vault City, it got harder. I mean, some of those people really helped me and stuff... plus, nothing can beat the feeling you get when you kill VC Citizens.
 
I always found it difficult to kill the slags. Not difficult as they put up a good fight, which they did, difficulty as the were such nice and peaceful people. Always hated Vaultcity, only once did I get that ending where lynet marries westin, and that was only cause I wanted to be captain of the gaurd. Also my karma is -2000 and some and im a berzerker, and yet I will still be congradulated by my tribe later in the endgame.
 
I always try to get as much reputation thingys. From Berzerker till Expert Excrement Expeditor (or something like it).
 
DirtyDreamDesigner said:
I though that was great, how you try to do everything you can to save Gecko and more only to learn later on that your good intentions doomed them. It's just what happens in real life.
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Actually that is caused by a few bugs. A variable never gets set if you give the eco disk to Mclure which should give you the best ending for Gecko.
 
killap said:
DirtyDreamDesigner said:
I though that was great, how you try to do everything you can to save Gecko and more only to learn later on that your good intentions doomed them. It's just what happens in real life.
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Actually that is caused by a few bugs. A variable never gets set if you give the eco disk to Mclure which should give you the best ending for Gecko.
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I understood that if you didn't optimize the power plant Vault City wouldn't invade Gecko, resulting in the best ending for Gecko.
 
The Kotex Kid said:
I understood that if you didn't optimize the power plant Vault City wouldn't invade Gecko, resulting in the best ending for Gecko.
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Actually that is not the case.

The best ending for Gecko is to fix the plant, give the economic disk from Gordon to Mclure, and then optimize the plant. Doing it this way gives you the BEST ending. Just repairing the plant makes Gecko and Vault City have an "uneasy truce" Just optimizing the plant and never giving the economic disk makes Vault City jealous of the extra power thereby making them invade. Doing all of the above yields and even better ending. No invasion and no "uneasy truce"
 
God I always ended up doing the daughter of the Bishop family. Then Papa Bishop would just see me and decide I think he has some dumb ass sign on his head... It just got messy from that point on. That is until I killed everyone then I went up and did Mrs. Bishop since Angela would not put out anymore. I sometimes wonder if one of those two were responsible for the scratching of the head... And if so, dare I conceive of the dirty, dirrrtay things that transpired.

I always find there is one thing that I do wrong in Little Reno... Namely kill all the crime syndicates. And that just sort of messed the whole thing up for Reno all together
 
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