Fallout 3 in 3D and Realtime GOOD GOD NO!!!

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I just ready Fallout 3 would be 3D and Realtime. Two of the biggest F*ck up things you can do to a game besides make it rely on online play alone.

First off, Fallout 3 is having far too much work put into it, I mean it's understandable that once FO and FO2 have given their effects, the third should be much better. But going 3D requires a new interface, furthermore, realtime makes it Fugging hard for those of us who aren't exactly the fastest mousers/keyboarders (aka strategists :D) to succeed.

I didn't like FO:T simply because of the Real Time, I don't care about suppressive fire, this isn't a combat strategy, it's a role playing game. It should therefore focus on the following in Fallout 3's case:

1. Storyline (it seems now-a-days video and sound are the priority when really all they chalk up to is nice effects, lots of video lag on low end machines, and shitty storylines because of the shift of focus from storyline to eye candy/ear candy.)

2. Atmosphere (in order to re-inforce a storyline, or at least the setting in which the plot unfolds, atmosphere should be set to get the player more into the game, atmosphere includes stuff like in Fallout 1 + 2 including stuff like burnt out street signs, destroyed buildings, rusted out cars, corpses littering the streets, and of course, music and ambience to make the player actually FEEL like he's in a post apocalyptic era).

3. Side Quests (and there should be plenty allowing you to be an evil character, or a good one, that is what set FO apart from the BG series, the fact that you COULD be evil, whereas in BG being Evil would result in your getting killed by Flaming Fist guards every 5 minutes, while in Fallout you had the occasional bounty hunter and goody two shoe, but the point is, you COULD complete the game as an evil character as well as a good one, it just depended on how you played.)

Next, a few things I'd like to state:

1. The Fallout engine has nothing wrong with it, there are a few bugs that could be fixed, but a new 3D engine is not required.

2. A 3D engine would bump up hardware requirements, sure we all have 3D cards now anyway, but depending on the quality of the 3D we could face severe slowdowns on lesser end 3D cards.

3. Combat ain't broken, don't fix it. If you could put up with combat in Fallout 1 + 2 you can deal with the same style in FO3, there is no need for real time. I don't care what the people who hype up "suppressive fire" and all kinds of stuff have to say, realtime works better, you get time to think rather than try and kill whatever you can before your HP hits zero. I mean, aside from the unfortunate things like you kill half the enemies only to get critically hit for 1000 damage from a minigun and have to reload your last save).

Thats all...hopefully Fallout 3 won't disappoint me the way FO:T did...ah well, the game industry doesn't learn apparently. I don't have any real ambition to buy any upcoming games simply because they aren't as good as the ones in the past. Games like Torment are excellent and definately need sequels or games using similar concepts and play style. Not this linear crap, it's nice to follow story line, but I'd rather have a choice on how to act as I progressed through the story. I don't want to be some big hero half the story because I must. I think FO2 was a helluva game and excellent when it comes to free choice while playing the game.
 
YEs, pleaseeeee, post there. ChrisA sometimes comes here, but it`s Fergus the one we want to wake and start thinking.

Real-time isn`t decided yet, this is where we should focus on preventing. Starting the 22nd of February, i will (damn exams)
 
>I mean, aside from the unfortunate
>things like you kill half
>the enemies only to get
>critically hit for 1000 damage
>from a minigun and have
>to reload your last save).

But that's the part I liked!! I LOVED wasting half a band of highwaymen only to be critically hit in the brain on the next shot!! In fact, I used to LOVE (and still would if I weren't mucking around with Arcanum) saving my game on EVERY combat turn, re-loading until I got a critical shot and then saving again. It made combat more INVOLVED, as opposed to the 'point and click' fest of most other games. In fact, turn-based combat was almost insane, changing to the hand with the better weapon (I always had a melee weapon and a long-range weapon, just in case). Then taking an aimed shot, almost with a calm, cool, calculating feel. Then clicking on the 'eyes' for the target and BLAM! Reading the little text message that came up. THAT was the fun part. You change combat into real-time, team-based bull**it like FO:T, and you haven't got fallout, you've got some cheap half a**ed imitation.

As for 3d? Hmmm.... If they can make Fallout 3 3d WITHOUT completely f**king it up by removing the atmosphere etc... Then I'd be interested. Also, apparently there are some advantages in that the game would work faster as most modern graphic cards have trouble with 2d (don't quote me on that, I have NO IDEA what I'm talking about).

But I'm certainly not against a nicely done, intense atmosphere, isometric view, 3d engine. Of course, whether BIS have the skills to make such an engine is an ENTIRELY different question.... :)

You have my full support on everything else you've said. (In fact, Interplay could probably get away with just re-hashing the old FO1 engine for FO3, just like they did for FO2. I'd still buy it if it had storyline and intense atmosphere)

On a side note: I remember my first time playing the orginal Fallout. Afte I had finished, I walked around in a daze for about a week, just trying to get over this whole empty feeling I had. It's the ONLY game where I've ever had this strange feeling after I finished it... A strange kind of 'emptiness' that could only be replaced by playing the whole game again! Except the 2nd time, I just shot everybody :)

DarkUnderlord
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hahaha good good , another unhappy fallout camper , it looks like a fallout mutiny , its good to see another has come over to the fallout dark side .... come on interplay what are you doing ? your very own fans are boo hooing you in the streets, oh thats right they dont care , theyve got money now ....
 
RE: Fallout 3 in 3D and Realtime GOOD GOD YES!!!

I think Fallout 3 should be in 3D. Why because I think 3D looks better than 2D. I'm not the only one that's sick 2D games, there're others like me that hate 2D games. I believe 3D games make more money than old 2D games. Interplay them selfs lost money on Fallout,Fallout2,and Fallout Tactics because they were made in 2D. I like a 3D shooter with a story. Much easyer to play than 2D and easy to follow. I feel like I'm really part the game if it was made in 3D than 2D. I hope Interplay does make Fallout 3 in 3D and make it a 3D shooter with story!!! I believe it will not ruin the game.
 
RE: Fallout 3 in 3D and Realtime GOOD GOD YES!!!

IP didn't lose money on FO or FO2 or else they wouldn't have bothered to shove FOT out the door. Use logic, bob.
 
RE: Fallout 3 in 3D and Realtime GOOD GOD YES!!!

Fallout and Fallout 2 made quite a bit of money for Interplay. Fallout 2 had a really nice profit margain because it only took 10 months to develop.

Oh, and NoBody is a fucking retard.
 
RE: Fallout 3 in 3D and Realtime GOOD GOD YES!!!

>Oh, and NoBody is a fucking
>retard.

That's what you become when some bubba (read Bob) drinks to much whiskey.

JR

Nunc ut nunquam
 
RE: Fallout 3 in 3D and Realtime GOOD GOD YES!!!

>I think Fallout 3 should be
>in 3D. Why because I
>think 3D looks better than
>2D. I'm not the only
>one that's sick 2D games,
>there're others like me that
>hate 2D games. I believe
>3D games make more money
>than old 2D games. Interplay
>them selfs lost money on
>Fallout,Fallout2,and Fallout Tactics because they
>were made in 2D. I
>like a 3D shooter with
>a story. Much easyer to
>play than 2D and easy
>to follow. I feel like
>I'm really part the game
>if it was made in
>3D than 2D. I hope
>Interplay does make Fallout 3
>in 3D and make it
>a 3D shooter with story!!!
>I believe it will not
>ruin the game.

Then why not BUY a 3d first person shooter??? Why do you want Fallout changed into a 3d shooter? I bought it because it WASN'T another 3d shooter. Why did you buy Fallout, NoBody? Because it looked cool? Or because your mummy made you buy it???

DarkUnderlord
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Moo..... Moo.... I'm an Interplay Cow. (Ready to be milked with a Fallout style MMORPG with aliens!)
 
RE: Fallout 3 in 3D and Realtime GOOD GOD YES!!!

I totally agree, if you want 3d eye candy, piss off and play Max Payne, if you want a good game, play FO. I really dont think that role playing can be done well under and circumstances in first person, I mean look at the two biggest online RPGs.. Ultima Online and EverQuest... UO is atmospheric, involving and easy to understand, EQ is shallow, annoying and clumsy to use. The third person iso view lets the player look around their avatar more realisticaly and see items and other charachters more easily... It also represents the full field of human senses, because in reality, you dont have to look behind you to know someone is following you, you can hear them walking, breathing, you can feel when someone is close. I for one would HATE to see the fallout series ruined by a 3d rape of its wonderful story and atmosphere.
 
RE: Fallout 3 in 3D and Realtime GOOD GOD YES!!!

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-02 AT 10:26AM (GMT)[p]Here we go again

Why do people associate a 3d game with a shooter?

It is perfectly fine to have 3d graphics but still have the feel, look, and perspective of the original Fallouts. When they say it's going to be a 3d game, it just means the graphics are going to be 3d, it doesn't mean it's going to be in first person perspective. You can still have a birds eye perspective for the game, but what 3d graphics offer is that the camera can be rotated, allowing more efficient use of the map. But the major bonus of 3d graphics is that it is MUCH MUCH easier to do than 2d graphics. Each object only needs one model and it is done. With 2d each interaction needs a different picture that is predrawn, taking up more artistic resources.

So in my mind I want to see f3 having the same perspective and gameplay as the originals, but just everything in 3d graphics.

BTW, I don't like fallout as a shooter either. I will torch my pc before I'll buy a fallout shooter.
 
RE: Fallout 3 in 3D and Realtime GOOD GOD YES!!!

I agree with using a 3D engine, but real-time is shit. It has no business in RPGs.
 
if fallout 3 had realtime like baldurs gate and pausing it'll kick ass for sure- and in 3d! wow.
 
Can we ban him Rosh? Please?

"I am a sick man. I am an angry man. I am an unattractive man. I think there's something wrong with my liver." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
 
k what did i do now?
is it wrong to post a message or something?
get a life man.
 
Of course you can post but posting something like 'This would kick ass' then stop isn't really informative. You should at least have said why it would kick ass and calling somebody an asshole like you did in another post is not allowed here.
And in the future think before you write. Your storyline post is so full of holes that it comes over more as a cry for attention then a serious post.

JR

Nunc ut nunquam
 
Just ignore him.

It's not like he and the rest of the board has anything constructive to say to each other.

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