FALLOUT TACTICS IS SOOO KEWL!!

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DarkUnderlord

Water Chip? Been There, Done That
HEY I JUST BOUGHT FALLOUT TACTICS CAUSE I SAW IT IN THE STORE AND THOUGHT I MIGHT AS WELL BUY IT CAUSE IT WAS ON SALE CHEAP SO I DID AND IT IS REALLY KEWL WITH GUNS AND STUFF SO FAR I'M UP TO THE MISSION WHERE YOU RESCUE THE MAYOR AND HER DAUGHTER AND SOME OTHER STUFF I DON'T REALLY CARE BUT I ESPECIALLY LIKE HOW SPEECH HAS BEEN MADE BETTER CAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE HAVING INVOLVED IN DEPTH CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE ANYWAY FALLOUT TACTICS IS SO BETTER CUASE YOU JUST SHOOT EVERYONE AND I ALSO LIKE HOW YOU CAN PLAY IN CONTINUOUS TURNBASED MODE CAUSE TURNS IS SO DUMB CAUSE IN TURNS YOU ONLY MOVE A BIT AND YOU HAVE 6 PEOPLE TO CONTROL AND 50 PEOPLE TO SHOOT AND THE MISSION TAKE FOREVER WHEREAS IN CTB MODE YOU JUST RUN YOUR WHOLE 6 PEOPLE UP RIGHT NEXT TO THE BAD GUYS AND THEN DO NOTHING CAUSE YOUR GUYS JUST AUTOMATICALLY START SHOOTING AND CAUSE THEY'RE SO CLOSE THEY BLOW THE BAD GUYS AWAY AND I LIKE HOW THE CARS ARE MODERN CAUSE I WOULD HAVE MADE OLD 50'S STYLE CARS BUT I'M SO STUPID THE DEISGENERS ARE WAAAAAY SMARTER THAN ME CAUSE A MODERN DAY HUMMER IS WAAAAY BETTER THAN AN OLD 50'S STYLE CAR THAT WOULD'VE FIT IN WITH THE RETRO-TECH BUT THEY ALSO GOT RID OF THAT SO THAT'S SO KEWL TO!!! I ESPECIALLY LIKE THE GAMBLING CAUSE YOU CAN GAMBLE EVERYTHING FROM SOMEONE FOR ONLY A 1000 BUCKS WHICH IS GREAT CAUSE I LIKE CARYYING AROUND TRUCKLOADS OF SHIT ON ME THAT I CAN ONLY SELL FOR A PITTANCE AND USE TO BUY.... UMMM.... ERRR... MORE WEAPONS BUT I FIND ALL THE WEAPONS I NEED SO I JUST GET LOADS OF CASH WHICH IS SO KEWL!!!!!!!!

(Har, har, har) -- All sad but true :(
 
Heh, what anus did you pull this stool from? :)

-Xotor-

>HEY I JUST BOUGHT FALLOUT TACTICS
>CAUSE I SAW IT IN
>THE STORE AND THOUGHT I
>MIGHT AS WELL BUY IT
>CAUSE IT WAS ON SALE
>CHEAP SO I DID AND
>IT IS REALLY KEWL WITH
>GUNS AND STUFF SO FAR
>I'M UP TO THE MISSION
>WHERE YOU RESCUE THE MAYOR
>AND HER DAUGHTER AND SOME
>OTHER STUFF I DON'T REALLY
>CARE BUT I ESPECIALLY LIKE
>HOW SPEECH HAS BEEN MADE
>BETTER CAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY
>LIKE HAVING INVOLVED IN DEPTH
>CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE ANYWAY FALLOUT
>TACTICS IS SO BETTER CUASE
>YOU JUST SHOOT EVERYONE AND
>I ALSO LIKE HOW YOU
>CAN PLAY IN CONTINUOUS TURNBASED
>MODE CAUSE TURNS IS SO
>DUMB CAUSE IN TURNS YOU
>ONLY MOVE A BIT AND
>YOU HAVE 6 PEOPLE TO
>CONTROL AND 50 PEOPLE TO
>SHOOT AND THE MISSION TAKE
>FOREVER WHEREAS IN CTB MODE
>YOU JUST RUN YOUR WHOLE
>6 PEOPLE UP RIGHT NEXT
>TO THE BAD GUYS AND
>THEN DO NOTHING CAUSE YOUR
>GUYS JUST AUTOMATICALLY START SHOOTING
>AND CAUSE THEY'RE SO CLOSE
>THEY BLOW THE BAD GUYS
>AWAY AND I LIKE HOW
>THE CARS ARE MODERN CAUSE
>I WOULD HAVE MADE OLD
>50'S STYLE CARS BUT I'M
>SO STUPID THE DEISGENERS ARE
>WAAAAAY SMARTER THAN ME CAUSE
>A MODERN DAY HUMMER IS
>WAAAAY BETTER THAN AN OLD
>50'S STYLE CAR THAT WOULD'VE
>FIT IN WITH THE RETRO-TECH
>BUT THEY ALSO GOT RID
>OF THAT SO THAT'S SO
>KEWL TO!!! I ESPECIALLY LIKE
>THE GAMBLING CAUSE YOU CAN
>GAMBLE EVERYTHING FROM SOMEONE FOR
>ONLY A 1000 BUCKS WHICH
>IS GREAT CAUSE I LIKE
>CARYYING AROUND TRUCKLOADS OF SHIT
>ON ME THAT I CAN
>ONLY SELL FOR A PITTANCE
>AND USE TO BUY.... UMMM....
>ERRR... MORE WEAPONS BUT I
>FIND ALL THE WEAPONS I
>NEED SO I JUST GET
>LOADS OF CASH WHICH IS
>SO KEWL!!!!!!!!
>
>(Har, har, har) -- All sad
>but true :(


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Is it just me, or do idiots multiply signifigantly faster than even semi-intellegent people? Maybe that explains the current United States government too...

"Wouldn't It Be Nice If Everyone Would Just Die?"
 
It certainly explains California's government. Their power usage has been swelling for years, yet they refused to set aside land for additional power plants. Now they're having to pay more to get power pumped in from other states.. And they have the nerve to bitch about it.
 
Not only that, but many of California's power plants are not currently operating. Their owners shiped their money to their parrent companies and declared bankruptcy. Those are both true, I have a friend who works at Bonneville Power in Oregon. The California power companies are doing this intentionally in order to get environmental standards loosened. And almost nobody's noticed. Once again it has been proven, "if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention."

"Wouldn't It Be Nice If Everyone Would Just Die?"
 
Yup, it's funny that California's been bragging about their environmental laws for years, and it's come back to bite them on the ass like it has.

The reason they ship the money to parent corporations and declare bankruptcy is simple. They can't afford to maintain profits and keep the price of power within reason with the laws. Compound this with the cost of retro-fitting old plants to keep within the guidelines, and you have a serious problem.

California's laws simply make it more viable to build plants out of state, away from those laws, and pump the power in.
 
>Yup, it's funny that California's been
>bragging about their environmental laws
>for years, and it's come
>back to bite them on
>the ass like it has.
>
>The reason they ship the money
>to parent corporations and declare
>bankruptcy is simple. They can't
>afford to maintain profits and
>keep the price of power
>within reason with the laws.
>Compound this with the cost
>of retro-fitting old plants to
>keep within the guidelines, and
>you have a serious problem.
>
>California's laws simply make it more
>viable to build plants out
>of state, away from those
>laws, and pump the power
>in.

The problems with California's power is because they shut down a few power plants. I mean the whole fiasco happened in the winter time, not the summer time when a HELL of a lot more power is used. Another issue is that many of the cities rely on the state to provide power rather than paying for their own powerplants the way, I believe, Los Angeles (or was it San Diego), does. They did not suffer any power outages because they were on their own power grid.

People in the USA simply waste a lot of power. We leave lights, TVs, and air conditioners on when we don't need to, our cars are huge and inefficient, and we build cities where they shouldn't exist. The problem is our *way of life*, not the environmental laws. I guess we'd rather be lazy than contribute a little effort towards the whole.

-Xotor-

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> People in the USA simply waste a lot of power. We leave
> lights, TVs, and air conditioners on when we don't need
> to, our cars are huge and inefficient, and we build
> cities where they shouldn't exist. The problem is our
> *way of life*, not the environmental laws. I guess we'd
> rather be lazy than contribute a little effort towards
> the whole.

No, the environmental laws in California ARE part of the problem. Notice the fact that the rest of the United States is perfectly fine in terms of maintaining power. In fact, most states have surplus power generation, which is why they can pump power in to California.
 
>> People in the USA simply waste a lot of power. We leave
>> lights, TVs, and air conditioners on when we don't need
>> to, our cars are huge and inefficient, and we build
>> cities where they shouldn't exist. The problem is our
>> *way of life*, not the environmental laws. I guess we'd
>> rather be lazy than contribute a little effort towards
>> the whole.
>
>No, the environmental laws in California
>ARE part of the problem.
>Notice the fact that the
>rest of the United States
>is perfectly fine in terms
>of maintaining power. In fact,
>most states have surplus power
>generation, which is why they
>can pump power in to
>California.

Here's a nice description on why the power crisis happened:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/blackout/california/summary.html

Not ONCE are environmental regulations mentioned.

California's problems stem from too little supply, supply that is too expensive, and deregulation of electrical power.

-Xotor-

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Environmental regulations are not part of the physical reason for the power shortage, they are part of the motive. By engineering this shortage by relocating assets, and thereby creating an excuse to shut down powerplants (if I remember correctly, about 1 in 4 of California's working powerplants are not currently in operation), the power companies have presented the government with a strong reason to loosen environmental regulations (which the Bush administration would like to do anyway). Therefore, environmental regulations are part of the end result of the power crisis. Where's Jimmy Carter when you need him?

"Wouldn't It Be Nice If Everyone Would Just Die?"
 
We're actually having a power crisis of our own where I am, here in South Australia. It's *kind of* similar to California. The main difference being that our crisis has absolutely nothing to do with environmental laws. In essence, the state government owned all the electricity assets and decided to sell them so they could get out of debt. But to make sure they got a high price for the assests, they put off any decisions to increase electricity supply (read: build more power plants). So now, supply is low but demand is high. A combination that doesn't bring about low prices.

Here's some websites if you want to read all about it...
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/s318285.htm
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/nts93000.htm
http://www.accc.gov.au/docs/speeches/saspvh2.html
 
>Environmental regulations are not part of
>the physical reason for the
>power shortage, they are part
>of the motive. By engineering
>this shortage by relocating assets,
>and thereby creating an excuse
>to shut down powerplants (if
>I remember correctly, about 1
>in 4 of California's working
>powerplants are not currently in
>operation), the power companies have
>presented the government with a
>strong reason to loosen environmental
>regulations (which the Bush administration
>would like to do anyway).
>Therefore, environmental regulations are part
>of the end result of
>the power crisis. Where's Jimmy
>Carter when you need him?

The power crisis is a function of DEREGULATION and then a price freeze which forced power companies to drop supplies because it cost so much on the open market. On the open market, prices for electricity can run as high as $500 per kilowatt hour. Such problems have occurred in my city where people have been hit with open-market prices by some mishap and had a HUGE bill for electricity.

And why is it that Los Angeles, a city with some of the most polluted air on the PLANET predicted that it would have enough SPARE electricity to sell to the rest of California? Because it is CITY OWNED, not INVESTOR OWNED. http://www.dailynewslosangeles.com/socal/power/articles/0501/16/new01.asp

Electricity, Sewers, Gas, Water, phones, ... ALL utilities and pharmaceudicals should be government owned and controlled, or at least the majority of the amount of them. Some things NEED to be regulated and controlled to prevent the deteriorization of quality and the excess of price.

-Xotor-

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Spoken like a true communist.

Kind of funny that the company that supplies my city with power is privately owned, deregulated, and we have the cheapest prices in the country. Go figure.
 
>Spoken like a true communist.

Not a communist, a realist. Some things shouldn't be privately owned, or if they are, highly regulated. Things like pharmaceudicals, afterall, most of the research done for drugs is by universities, not private companies, and university research is paid by government grants.

The power grid should be a nation-wide interconnected network of powerplants and power lines regulated by one source and standardized across the nation. In fact, all power plants should be made nuclear breeder reactors so that 99% of the fuel isn't wasted. If the government wasn't so caught up in public opinions and policy we'd have a much more efficient system.

We have too many rights.

>Kind of funny that the company
>that supplies my city with
>power is privately owned, deregulated,
>and we have the cheapest
>prices in the country. Go
>figure.

Go figure that you probably don't live in an energy-starved area. Go figure that LA's power grid is owned by the city and is essentially a private power source for them

-Xotor-

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[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Aug-20-01 AT 04:18AM (GMT)[p]Yeah, the government's done such a wonderful job with things like public education! Let's hear it for medicare! How about a half a dozen other programs which provide fairly pathetic results versus the amount of tax money dumped in to them?

As for university research versus private sector research, who charted the Human Genome? Wasn't the university system.

Oh, you want to know why the government SHOULDN'T control pharmaceuticals? Look at all the grants that go to fight AIDS compared to cancer and heart disease. Sponsering AIDS legislation looks a lot better to certain political groups than most any other medical threat, yet cancer and heart disease out kill more people than AIDS could ever hope to.

Also, why not head on over to pfizer.com and check out how many pharmaceuticals they've developed. They work on treatments for everything from diabetes to alzheimer's to erectile disfunction. Private research covers a much broader base of diseases and ailments than the government could ever hope to cover.

Hell, the government has enough problem fixing pot holes in highways, let alone doing medicine.


Oh, and about the power situation here. You're damned right I live in a place where power is abundant. Guess what, it didn't get that way because of the government either.
 
>>Spoken like a true communist.

> Not a communist, a realist. Some things shouldn't be privately
> owned, or if they are, highly regulated.

Or like a communist. I hate to jump into the middle of a fight that's not mine, but seriously, I have big issues with someone who makes such statements as "We have too many rights." I'm sorry, Xotor, is the burdon of independant thought too much for you to bear? Name *ONE* thing, *ONE* single thing that our government does better than a profitable company can/does. You'll struggle long and hard to find such an example. The only examples you'll even be able to quote will be areas that haven't been privatized yet. The government doesn't have to show a profit, there for they're prone to waste. How could anyone, with any sort of "realistic" viewpoint think otherwise? Look at the socialized medical care of canada and the U.K. Thousands of people die in their care every year because of the fact that they have socialized programs. What country has the best medical system in the world? The U.S. you say? Why? Because it's privatized. While I would agree that *EVERYONE* in the U.S. should be given the best medical care they have available, it's not worth the cost of degrading the quality to provide it for free to everyone at a degraded level.

California is a pathetic story of a group of individuals crying "not in my backyard" then having to pay the consequences. Too bad. Californians, as in every other political issue facing californians, want the best of both worlds. They want their energy deregulated, but they don't want to pay for it when it gets expensive, only when it gets cheaper. Lex Luthor had the right idea in the first superman movie. Let's make Nevada the west coast, send cali to the bottom of the ocean.

Here in KY, we generate plenty of energy, all distributed throughout the state via energy cooperatives. We also sell plenty of our extra energy, mostly from hydroelectric to just about every state that touches ours. We also enjoy one of the lowest rates per kW/h in the nation, averaging about $0.06. I don't know how old you are Xotor, or what your lifestyle is, but that's one of the advantages of our governmental system. If you don't like the rules the state you live in runs by, you can always move. California sucks, i feel sorry for those living in northern cali, having to be lumped in with the pittiful waste from about the middle, down. But, when you're around a bunch of cry-babies, you tend to fall into that category eventually yourself. Might wanna see about getting out.

Oh, and BTW, California, as evidenced by your apparent attitude, is becoming a constitutionally threatening area of the country. It's where some of the strongest gun control laws originate, they want the rest of the country to help them pay for their expensive electricity, and those are just two examples. Given enough time, I could probably list a few more. Unfortunately, waking up for work at 7AM is "realistic" enough for me, and it's 1:10AM right now.

One last thing, X, you made the statement that power should be regulated by one entity, etc, then you go on to say something about "go figure" that the problem was the city of L.A. controlled the power. Those are one in the same, bud. Check that article you quoted, see the part that says, "San Diego Gas & Electric, Pacific Gas & Electric, and Southern California Edison, the three big private utilities regulated out of San Francisco by the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC)". That's your universal governing system in action. ;-)

Enjoy!
 
>Yeah, the government's done such a
>wonderful job with things like
>public education! Let's hear it
>for medicare! How about a
>half a dozen other programs
>which provide fairly pathetic results
>versus the amount of tax
>money dumped in to them?

Let's hear it to a system where doctors in private institutions foot medicare with the bill for medical operations that never happen! Let's hear it for a system where old immigrants from other nations who haven't contributed a single PENNY to the social security can reap the benefits. Yes let's hear it for inefficient government. THAT'S why we should have less rights here. THAT'S why we need less public opinion and more results. THAT's why we need strong-arm policy.

I mean, why is it that loser environmental groups like "Save our Canyons" and Greenpeace can SUE the government and not have to pay for the legal costs when they lose? Why is it that the government has to pay for THEIR legal costs when it loses?

Why is it that because of Affirmative Action, fully qualified white workers are denied jobs and pay-raises because of their skin color, when people of other nationalities, but less qualified get the jobs and raises? I'm not a racist, but I DO want TRUE equality.

Why? Because this government is too caught up with public opinions and votes. Because orders cannot be issued without first going through many levels of processing, because PEOPLE make government so difficult. We're so concerned about checks and balances that we forget the goal in mind.

>As for university research versus private
>sector research, who charted the
>Human Genome? Wasn't the university
>system.

Well it certainly was government for the most part: http://www.stanford.edu/class/siw198q/websites/genomics/entry.htm

>Oh, you want to know why
>the government SHOULDN'T control pharmaceuticals?
>Look at all the grants
>that go to fight AIDS
>compared to cancer and heart
>disease. Sponsering AIDS legislation looks
>a lot better to certain
>political groups than most any
>other medical threat, yet cancer
>and heart disease out kill
>more people than AIDS could
>ever hope to.

How the hell does that relate to pharmaceuticals? I'm talking about the huge amounts of money earned by pharmaceutical companies that charge 1000% the cost to manufacture the medicine.

Chemotherapy medicine costs hundreds of dollars per bag of liquid. Treatments to save your life will cost you your life's earnings. Why should that be so?

>Also, why not head on over
>to pfizer.com and check out
>how many pharmaceuticals they've developed.

And how much they charge for it.

>They work on treatments for
>everything from diabetes to alzheimer's
>to erectile disfunction. Private research
>covers a much broader base
>of diseases and ailments than
>the government could ever hope
>to cover.

But what percentage of the populace can actually benefit from it? And another point about slow government, why does it take YEARS for groundbreaking medicines to be approved for human usage? Why is it that by merely *filing* for a patent extension, a pharmaceutical company can prevent generic companies from selling cheaper drugs for TWO YEARS by default?

>Hell, the government has enough problem
>fixing pot holes in highways,
>let alone doing medicine.

The government has enough trouble trying to please everyone all the time.

-Xotor-

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>Or like a communist.
>I hate to jump
>into the middle of a
>fight that's not mine, but
>seriously, I have big issues
>with someone who makes such
>statements as "We have too
>many rights." I'm sorry,
>Xotor, is the burdon of
>independant thought too much for
>you to bear?

The idea that we are given God-given rights is too much to bear.

>Name
>*ONE* thing, *ONE* single thing
>that our government does better
>than a profitable company can/does.

Our government is inefficient because it tries to please everyone all the time. Look at the last election. Rather than taking a stand on issues, the candidates pretty much stayed neutral.

Take a look at the nationalized medical programs in Europe.

> You'll struggle long and
>hard to find such an
>example. The only examples
>you'll even be able to
>quote will be areas that
>haven't been privatized yet.
>The government doesn't have to
>show a profit, there for
>they're prone to waste.
>How could anyone, with any
>sort of "realistic" viewpoint think
>otherwise?

I *do* see the benefits of privatization, but when private institutes start

>Look at the
>socialized medical care of canada
>and the U.K. Thousands
>of people die in their
>care every year because of
>the fact that they have
>socialized programs.
>What country
>has the best medical system
>in the world? The
>U.S. you say? Why?
> Because it's privatized.

But how about how many people die here because they cannot afford treatment?

While we may have some of the best facilities, the best doctors, and best treatment, how available is that to the populace?

>While I would agree that
>*EVERYONE* in the U.S. should
>be given the best medical
>care they have available, it's
>not worth the cost of
>degrading the quality to provide
>it for free to everyone
>at a degraded level.

Then what should happen then? Only the rich should receive treatment? Should a person have to sacrifice his entire life's earning to treat illness? Are the poor non-persons? Are the middle class?

> California is a pathetic
>story of a group of
>individuals crying "not in my
>backyard" then having to pay
>the consequences. Too bad.

Hey, they're the ones living in cities where the average home costs $1 million.

> Californians, as in every
>other political issue facing californians,
>want the best of both
>worlds. They want their
>energy deregulated, but they don't
>want to pay for it
>when it gets expensive, only
>when it gets cheaper.

Exactly my complaint with the populace and government.

>I don't know how old
>you are Xotor, or what
>your lifestyle is, but that's
>one of the advantages of
>our governmental system. If
>you don't like the rules
>the state you live in
>runs by, you can always
>move.

Oh I'm not complaining about my power needs, I don't live in California. I personally blame the PEOPLE there, not the power plants. Now they wan to "borrow" more power from my state. California should be isolated from the western power grid.

> Oh, and BTW, California,
>as evidenced by your apparent
>attitude, is becoming a constitutionally
>threatening area of the country.
> It's where some of
>the strongest gun control laws
>originate,

Good for them.

>they want the rest
>of the country to help
>them pay for their expensive
>electricity,

That's no good.

> One last thing, X,
>you made the statement that
>power should be regulated by
>one entity, etc, then you
>go on to say something
>about "go figure" that the
>problem was the city of
>L.A. controlled the power.

Um, no, I'm saying that LA has their power needs under control.

>Those are one in the
>same, bud. Check that
>article you quoted, see the
>part that says, "San Diego
>Gas & Electric, Pacific Gas
>& Electric, and Southern California
>Edison, the three big private
>utilities regulated out of San
>Francisco by the California Public
>Utilities Commission (CPUC)". That's
>your universal governing system in
>action. ;-)

Current practices are not what I'm looking for. I want sweeping reforms and standardization.

-Xotor-

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