Fix SPECIAL

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by squeehunter, Feb 17, 2010.

  1. squeehunter

    squeehunter First time out of the vault

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    Jul 20, 2008
    SPECIAL was unbalanced from the transition from FO2 to FO3. The point of SPECIAL is that you have to make a descision about what kind of character you want to have. You only get five points to do that with. A lot of the usefulness of certain attributes was removed, making you not really see the need to add points to them and tempting you to bring them down to 1 and spending all of your points in other areas. If they're not useful in the first place, then it's like starting about with 15 points instead of five.

    Perception - Perception has become the most useless skill. Other than skill boosts (big deal) it only affects your range of enemy detection. You can get the same benefits from just paying attention. I'd much rather have my points somewhere like in Strength or Endurance. Have it in addition to increasing enemy detection, affect your accuracy like it did in the first place.* Also, your ability to see at night time. The quest to get the sharpened spear in Arroyo would only activate if you had enough perception to notice that the bridge guard's was different. Maybe on your radar include white dots that only appear with sufficient Perception that lead you to interesting things. I don't mean loot, I mean like "This wall looks weak enough to be destroyed" or a quest or something. Shiny thing on ground...

    *The ranged weapon skills make no sense. How exactly do you explain higher skill equaling more damage? I forgot who said it (Todd maybe) that origionally that was the case but it was too hard for anyone to shoot something. Well, geeze, you'd think someone with a low skill in something wouldn't be very good at it. (It's an RPG) I used a mod that did this exact thing and it worked great. Was the expected audience going to quit if they couldn't start shooting everything in sight right away? Yeah, it was harder to hit things at first, like it should be but it wasn't at all impossible. Once you get to 100% skill, the most accurate weapon in the game shouldn't have anymore spread and then the second most accurate gun should have slightly more etc. (You don't want to eliminate spread for entirely because that would mess up some guns being more useful for being more accurate) Ranged skills should affect, accuracy, reload times, and frequency of gun james. The same goes for explosives. How does a higher skill increase damage?

    Charisma - Charisma was also nerfed. Even if you didn't want to be a diplomatic character in FO2, you didn't want to lower it too much because it affected the amount of followers you could have, which is something else that needs big fixing. Again, I forgot who said it but the justification for only one NPC at a time other than Dogmeat was AI problems. Again, I got a mod, had three followers based on my Charisma and it worked great. It felt a lot better too. So now, if you don't want to talk people into things, there's not much of a point in having Charisma.

    Agility - Agility ranks #2. Unless you're using VATS a lot, this doesn't really have much of a use. Make it recharge your AP faster (it doesn't the last time I checked, only gives you more AP), and have it affect your chance to be hit like it used to do. And maybe have it affect your melee weapon speed.

    -Less reasonable ideas-
    Here are some ideas that I would totally understand if no one liked them. First, getting back to agility, make a second, automatic block based on Agility. Then, combine HtH with Melee. HtH always got the shaft when it came to weapon types so I say just stick them together so everyone gets access to all the weapons.
     
  2. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
     
  3. OakTable

    OakTable Vault Senior Citizen

    Nov 26, 2009
    Ahhh, the nail is pointed right at my mouse!

    Anyway, they really need to slow down AP regen and get rid of Grim Reaper's Sprint (Fuck you Mr. Contest Winner for making one hell of an unbalanced perk).
     
  4. squeehunter

    squeehunter First time out of the vault

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    Jul 20, 2008
  5. Takashi

    Takashi Chimichangas!

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    Dec 20, 2003
  6. Hauptmann

    Hauptmann First time out of the vault

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    Feb 7, 2009
    Skill determining damage was probably a solution to show that a skilled marksman can place his shots in the right spots. How is this relevant when in FPP game it's the player who aims with the mouse is still beyond me :P

    I just PRAY (and I mean it) that they will make Perception affect spread. So it will finally mean anything in F:NV.

    The things u wrote about Charisma and Agility would really be great if implemented in F:NV. Still I'm more concerned over Perception. Why? Because of mods. As u wrote - u can find mods that fix Charisma (make it important because of number of followers or affect prices of loot / things in shops) and mods that fix Agility (Sprint mod, Bullet time, blah blah blah).
    But there's no Perception mod i can mention that fixes its retiredness in F3.

    BTW. Meele and Unarmed needs to get "usretarded". In Fallout 3 in VATS u always have 95% of a chance to hit. What's meele and unarmed for? For increasing damage. That partially ok with me. I mean, the way it affects that damage is porked so it actually means that a STR=1, END=1, and low skills Meele, Unarmed, person can do pwnage with that stupid Shishkebab or own a Super Mutant with Brass Knuckles on Lvl 2. WTF!!!
     
  7. squeehunter

    squeehunter First time out of the vault

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    Jul 20, 2008
  8. Dionysus

    Dionysus Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Oct 13, 2008
    My guess is that they won't radically change the impact of skill/attributes on spread. Developers (including Obsidian) don't seem to like severe accuracy mods in action RPGs.

    And I disagree about the uselessness of PE. It's very important for sneaky characters. CH definitely needs an overhaul, though.

    The idea is that the skill affects accuracy, which ultimately affects damage, and they cut out the middle man to a large extent in FO3.
     
  9. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    They should also increment the number of AP-per-point. Some time ago I gave a look at the AP consumption and, with almost all non-Big Guns weapons, if with AGI 1 you can shoot X times with a weapon, with AGI 10 you can shoot X+1 times. And since there's no reason to start with an AGI lower than 5 this makes that stat kinda stupid.

    Then the game should have enemies with higher PE. The way is done in FO3 (the deathclaw and Yao Guai had 7 PE, all the other enemies had 6 or lower) makes it relatively useless to spend a lot of points in it. :| You start with 6, you put a hat on and you can already detect almost all enemies before they can see/sense you.
     
  10. Ravager69

    Ravager69 Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 21, 2007
    Sawyer needs to work with what he has and try to make the best of it, not bitch about not being able to do things "real life". Some sacrifices need to be made in order to keep game balance.
     
  11. ManWithNoName

    ManWithNoName It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 30, 2010
    Anybody else see Oak Table in there? :) You can't hid.