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Okay, first of all, I am not sure why so many people have something against BoS, Enclave, NCR, and the Legion. While I am sure that there are reasons, I simply don't know what they are and why they would not be welcome in a future FO game. So, I have some questions that folks might want to answer....


1. What factions should be done away with and why?

2. If/ when a future version of FO did not contain these factions, then who would be used to replace them... if anyone? If the factions or at least some of the factions where retained, then which ones and how should they be different?

3. What ideas do you have for new factions, how would they be different from older existing factions?

4. Is the problem that the existing factions are just "over done" or should they be expanded upon?


Okay, I am sure I could ask other faction based questions and I may very well do so later. But for now, I think that these few questions will do just fine.

Also, feel free to post your "custom" faction idea if you would like. It might be interesting to see what some of us FO fans can come up with.
 
1. Possibly, Enclave should go. should there's any Encalve survivors left by the end of FONV. what's the point of their existence, what's the point of their 'nazi' policy? the last Enclave did appaer in FONV but they lost much of its former glory. by the time of FONV i think Bethesda established that the FEV canister is NOT inserted into Project Purification project but handed over to the Brotherhood instead.
2. depending on 'where' will the next FO takes place? undoubtly the postwar USA. but where?
I wish that the dixieland needs storyline, maybe the CSA. yes! i'm saying that the descent of the former gulf commonwealth and some part s of Texas should somehow form a nation, if the NCR has a tie to what California used to be. what should the new nation of the gulf be? the Confederacy should be cool. but no 'n' factor please.
whatchu think if the CSA fights the war against the Legion?
3. The Confederate States of America. yes same ol' name, created pretty much the same way the as the NCR. i'm also planning a new fanfic revolving around this faction. they somehow legalised slavery. but not WITHOUT some regulations. also the state religion of the CSA is Christianity, the military is pretty much late victorian (somehow, the Line Infantry doctrine still practised). limited access to power armor, but the army have access to assault rifles, some kind of shrapnell-proof body armor. but not combat armor. the army also have both cavs, and artillery corps. (which it is said to have wasteland-style muzzleloading cannonry)
4. The Legion should be expanded. well somehow, certain branches of the Legion are missing
- Cavalry. if the FONV graphic novel is canon. then it means that Horses still exists in FO world.
- Siege branch. consists of the motorized helepolises, the pheumatic catapult hauling bombshell (think of Fatman Nuka Launcher), motorized battering ram.
Also some aspects of 'Roman' cultures Salliwell has somehow forgot,
- Roman polytheism. only 'Mars' mentioned as a roman god ruling over the Legion. where's Minerva? another roman deity that always armed and somehow a patron of roman army.
- Life of Flagstaff folks. since it's now the Legion's capitol. it should have its name latinized. or simply renamed as Rome. but hey! another 'Rome' in america is a city located far due east! so what else?
- Where's Aphrodite orgy? isn't it another aspect of classic Roman society?
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yep. something from Tim Cain's Arcanum. :P

Whataobutchu?
 
I wouldn't mind seeing the enclave again...but only if you get to play as one.

Think about, for the last 2 fallout games they've been the bad guys, and the player was expected to hate them.

By having the PC as a member of the enclave, he must now face the hate that he once directed against the enclave.

I think it would be an interesting playing experience.
 
1. Depends where it's set, but Enclave are real contenders for having little to no presence. BoS are a close second, those guys should be dying out - If they drop their exclusive membership they should drop the name too.

2. New location-appropriate non-clone factions. Maybe a Legion with tribes starting to break away and lots of its power gone with Caesar dead. That might be interesting.

3. Anything as long as it's plausible and has reason to exist.

4. Well, the Enclave were clearly dead before Bethsoft resurrected them. They also only have 1 aim, which gets a bit tiring. The BoS has pretty much seen it's arc completed too. I don't want either to have a strong and vital presence in any future game. NV handled them well.

New factions Bethsoft brought in have plenty of room to expand (Mainly due to Bethsoft being shitty writers.) The Commonwealth and Talon could both be interesting, if they actually had decent writers. The Talon Company can easily be more than well-armed fodder. Also happy to see the Legion explored further.
 
Lone Cat said:
Also some aspects of 'Roman' cultures Salliwell has somehow forgot,
- Roman polytheism. only 'Mars' mentioned as a roman god ruling over the Legion. where's Minerva? another roman deity that always armed and somehow a patron of roman army.
- Where's Aphrodite orgy? isn't it another aspect of classic Roman society?
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For this points, you should not forget the Legion is not a direct successor to the roman empire, but the ideal of a man inspired on it. Thus, and he being aware they need a single enemy and unity for the troops, he might be aware that polytheism could lead to inner conflicts (like faction between the army, some loyal to Minerva and some loyal to Mars). Also, since he seems to consider much of the behavior in the wastes like something to be removed, and being the sexual behavior one of them, he can safely "forget" to tell his men about the orgies. Also, they might be actually having that orgies, and the courier simply is unaware of it. Remember women are slaves there, and raping them one by one has little moral difference with raping them in orgies...
 
Doesn't Veronica say something about the sexual practices of the Legion? I think she had a few choice words about their orientation.
 
CthuluIsSpy said:
Doesn't Veronica say something about the sexual practices of the Legion? I think she had a few choice words about their orientation.
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I remember some character spoke about it, but I don't remember what was said. Anyway, I don't think there is any kind of "AND THAT'S ALL WHAT HAPPENS AROUND THE LEGION, DUDE", so there is still open to discussion if the orgies are done or not.
 
From the fallout wiki:

While several non-player characters, such as Cass and Major Knight allude to homosexuality being accepted (if not the norm) in the Legion, Jimmy claims from first hand experience that homosexuality is punishable with death. It's unclear which claim is correct or how they reconcile. The best possible theory is that homosexuality isn't tolerated, but most outsiders use the concept to slander them (i.e. cracking wise about their togas being "skirts").
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http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Caesar's_Legion
 
Formerk said:
From the fallout wiki:

While several non-player characters, such as Cass and Major Knight allude to homosexuality being accepted (if not the norm) in the Legion, Jimmy claims from first hand experience that homosexuality is punishable with death. It's unclear which claim is correct or how they reconcile. The best possible theory is that homosexuality isn't tolerated, but most outsiders use the concept to slander them (i.e. cracking wise about their togas being "skirts").
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http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Caesar's_Legion
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Well, that ends that.
Good find.
 
I would imagine that homosexuality in the Legion is a lot like Homosexuality in the American armed forces before the repeal (or for that matter, the implementation) of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. It's an all-male, testosterone-saturated, brotherhood-dependent atmosphere, so the issue is bound to arise. The Legion's punishment is a little stricter than an undesirable discharge, though, so it's bound to take place under an umbrella of the utmost secrecy and taboo.

As to the OP's question: There is not a single faction from the original games that should necessarily be included in the next iteration of the franchise, for reasons that other posters in this thread have already elaborated on. If it fits, I'm fine with it being there; if it doesn't, don't shoehorn it. That was the mistake they made with Fallout 3, and even Fallout 2, to an extent: trying too hard to throw in "Fallouty" touchstones where they don't necessarily make sense, especially anything concerning FEV. The original story was just so good, and they left so many stones (intentionally and deliciously) unturned, that I imagine it was tough to imagine anything quite as cool that fit within the same world without being overshadowed by what was already there.

I'd like to see existing game entities de-emphasized, especially the Legion, and if the game is set anywhere near Legion or contested NCR/Legion land, I'd like to see them in dissolution and see the chaos the disintegration of such a body could cause. It'd bring it closer to a true frontier/post apoc feeling, in my opinion. Honestly, I think they kind of shot themselves in the foot making the Legion so large and so fanatically devoted. Unless the information we got on them in NV is a wildly speculative or inaccurate picture, it'll be impossible to not have hokey elements of pseudo-Roman culture spread from Detroit to Donner Pass for generations after the Legion falls apart, even if general hatred causes the scraps of the Legion tribes to become hunted with extreme prejudice by vengeful locals and the larger powers-that-be (a direction I'd start taking the franchise in as soon as is plausible).

If the setting is moved too (geographically) far away from what's already been established, I'd prefer not to see any of the old factions/McGuffins in the game at all. There's little or no justification for it.
 
My FO Detroit PnP uses the disintegrating Legion as a plot device.

Legion troops/tribes expanding/fleeing north east push other tribes out of their lands etc. in a ripple effect.

The player(s) in my game are trying to find a new home for their tribe... who have been made refugees by other tribes fleeing legion splinter groups moving away from the southwest.

WPD
 
Talon company faction needs to be bigger in next game as well as the commonwealth .and make raiders joinable
 
CthuluIsSpy said:
I wouldn't mind seeing the enclave again...but only if you get to play as one.

Think about, for the last 2 fallout games they've been the bad guys, and the player was expected to hate them.

By having the PC as a member of the enclave, he must now face the hate that he once directed against the enclave.

I think it would be an interesting playing experience.
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Seconded. A game like Fallout: Tactics might as well have been played from an Enclave following colonel Autumns' standpoint: "don't kill every living thing, subjugate them and use them as auxiliaries." Plus, the other factions might get the chance to be the bad guys. Well, semi-bad in some cases, but still.
 
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