Gaming CPU that rules them all...

Ratty Sr.

Ratty Sr.

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No, it's not Athlon 64 FX, and especially not P4 EE. It's - surprise, surprise! - Pentium M 770! Based on the Pentium III architecture (that is well over five years old), this little monster, coupled with an antiquated i865 motherboard and a $5 cooler and clocked from 2.13 to 2.56 GHz, outperforms Athlon 64 FX Clawhammer and Pentium 4 Prescott in all of today's 3D games! If you are wondering if it is true and how it is even possible to stick Pentium M into an i865 motherboard, visit http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050525/index.html.

I can't help but cringe at Intel's shortsightedness and idiocy. In 2000 they had an absolutely awesome architecture that had no problems keeping up with the best of what AMD had to offer. Instead of improving it further, they decided to scrap it and base Pentium 4 on a new, shitty architecture that manages to keep up with the competition on sole account of absurdly high clock speeds. At the same time, the scrapped architecture gets used in a line of low-heat, low-power CPUs intended for notebooks, yet - when coupled with appropriate hardware - capable of outperforming Pentium 4 in almost every situation!

I'm considering taking my laptop apart...
 
I still like my amd better... but its quite a surprise pentium made such a beast and didnt know it

you have a M 770?
 
SuAside said:
Ratty, AMD still rules the market when you look at the prices...
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100% Agreed, amd are very nice cpu's... but some people claim there crap but I beg to differ
 
SuAside said:
Ratty, AMD still rules the market when you look at the prices...
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I respectfully disagree. Though Pentium M 770 is more expensive than Athlon 64 FX, keep in mind that it runs much cooler (which saves you money you would need to invest in cooling), uses a very old chipset (which means you can save quite a bit of dough on the motherboard), is a lot less energy-intensive (less electricity = you save more money in the long run) and outperforms it in games even when clocked to only 2.56 GHz, with stock cooling and default voltage! The issue of performance vs. cost is probably debatable in this case (it largely depends on how long you leave your system running and how much electricity it draws), but you have to admit this is damn impressive.
 
yes it rocks
yes it outperforms the best cpus at some benchmarks
yes it requires low voltage

but do you really believe you will win back 650 euros by using a low voltage cpu?
i dont know about croatia, but here electricity is a wee bit cheaper.

also, i do not count FX & EE as real CPU's. thats stuff for the rich and/or insane.

btw, isnt the 770 clocked @ 2.13 rather than 2.56?
 
My notebook has been outperforming Penitum IVs for a while now. It's old news.

Plus, IBM's PowerPC (ie. the CPUs used in Macs) architecture is even better. By a lot.
 
but do you really believe you will win back 650 euros by using a low voltage cpu?
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No, but in a few years' time you will probably win back 100 euros. Plus you will also save on cooling and the motherboard, and still have a system that is faster than an Athlon 64 FX system (and considerably cheaper).

Granted, it's still expensive, but not too expensive, considering it's possibly the fastest rig on the planet.

btw, isnt the 770 clocked @ 2.13 rather than
2.56?
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2.13 GHz is the stock frequency. But you can have 2.56 GHz with no extra cooling and no fiddling with CPU voltage. How cool is that?
 
Ratty said:
Plus you will also save on cooling and the motherboard
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cooling yes
motherboard no

these motherboards are more expensive than standard motherboards, you know. (or you have to buy a normal motherboard + socket addapter which comes down to the same thing)

btw, isnt the 770 clocked @ 2.13 rather than
2.56?
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2.13 GHz is the stock frequency. But you can have 2.56 GHz with no extra cooling and no fiddling with CPU voltage. How cool is that?[/quote]

just as cool as making a venice 3000+ run 2900mhz without extra cooling?

whats your point...
 
SuAside said:
these motherboards are more expensive than standard motherboards, you know. (or you have to buy a normal motherboard + socket addapter which comes down to the same thing)
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Many people already have an i865 motherboard and don't need to buy a new one. They just need the socket adapter which isn't all that expensive. Millions of people who have one of the old Northwood P4's can just upgrade the CPU and the video card, and still get an incredibly powerful system. That was my point, but I haven't stated it very clearly - my apologies.

Unfortunately I have the not-so-commonplace i850 chipset. :(
 
SuAside said:
just as cool as making a venice 3000+ run 2900mhz without extra cooling?

whats your point...
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I have a amd64 +3000 (2ghz)... is that the same cpu? Ive never heard of a venice before
 
Ratty said:
I can't help but cringe at Intel's shortsightedness and idiocy. In 2000 they had an absolutely awesome architecture that had no problems keeping up with the best of what AMD had to offer. Instead of improving it further, they decided to scrap it and base Pentium 4 on a new, shitty architecture that manages to keep up with the competition on sole account of absurdly high clock speeds.
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It is actually quite simple. $. Microsoft made millions from the over-hyped "new version" or "upgrade" of Windows with WinME (depending upon which bullshit press kit you go by), and got millions of people to buy it, including the idiotic pre-fab computer dealers. The same goes for CPUs, which are cheap as hell when you look at wholesale prices.

Do you see any reason why Intel, Microsoft, or any of the 3d graphics card vendors to ever throw away what makes up 90% of their market, people who upgrade simply because the manufacturer shits out a "new version" or a bigger number? CPU clock is also a red herring when it might have a crappy math co-processor and other hardware support. If they suddenly engineered something that did work well for a long time, as this CPU in question, there goes the upgrades these assholes want you to buy in a couple of years simply because they engineered architecture that runs just a bit better than what you would be upgrading from.
 
Ratty said:
Many people already have an i865 motherboard and don't need to buy a new one. They just need the socket adapter which isn't all that expensive. Millions of people who have one of the old Northwood P4's can just upgrade the CPU and the video card, and still get an incredibly powerful system. That was my point, but I haven't stated it very clearly - my apologies.
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someone with an i865 mobo & intel cpu does not need to upgrade ratty. i have an intel 2.53ghz & it works just fine (and that without HT). if you have an i865 or i875 chipset, you probably have a 2.4ghz+ with HT. that is more than sufficient for the time being.

why blow 700euro's on an 'upgrade' (cpu+socketadapter), when you can almost buy a new computer with that money...

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SuAside said:
just as cool as making a venice 3000+ run 2900mhz without extra cooling?
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I have a amd64 +3000 (2ghz)... is that the same cpu? Ive never heard of a venice before
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venice is the codename for the new cpu cores that came out recently. they seem to overclock extremely well.
 
OMG... Ive been trying to figure out what cpu core I have and I cannot find it! All I know is my cpu is

amd athlon 64 +3000 with 640kb cache, 2000mhz s754 with 400mhz bus

Ive been looking for about an hour now and I give up... does anyone off by heart know what it is? Is there a way to find out what it is?

Ive checked my hardware profiles, the box the cpu came in, the instruction manual, and found jack shit. Maybe you guys know?
 
it is a socket 754 processor, it cannot be a Venice, so you can halt your search.

judging from your L1 (128) & L2 cache (512kb) & sockettype, i'd say you have a Newcastle core.
 
I knew mine wasnt a venice, I just was curious what mine actually was.... for overclocking purposes :) Ive got a sweet gaming case (sidewinder) with 2 120mm fans and another 2 80mm fans, so I got real good circulation in my case.

Im going to buy a better cpu fan and heatsink and overclock my cpu as much as I can... are the newcastles any good for overclocking? I am going to look it up in my spare time, but you seem to know alot more about pc's than me :wink:

thx SuAside
 
i'm afraid that the biggest factor in overclocking a Newcastle is luck :)

some will do pretty well, others will barely move.

(if you want an idea of how yours will preform you need to look up the 'stepping' of your cpu, so you can compare it with cpu's from the same batch. but there is no sure way of knowing how well it will OC, even if you know the stepping.)
 
yah i think ill just sell my mb, video card, and cpu to my brother (he really wants it) and get a socket 939 and some more goodies :)

Im going to wait until fall to pick out parts but I want to get a mb with sli and the best cpu to $ ratio i can get :)
 
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